Dwight Yorke's 'Born To Score'

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[00:00:54] Dwight

[00:00:56] Gold scoring great

[00:00:57] slightly less great in the eyes of Katie Price

[00:01:00] Play for United

[00:01:01] Villa

[00:01:02] Lapeurne

[00:01:02] Birmingham

[00:01:03] and

[00:01:03] Sunderland

[00:01:04] Run the chebble with United

[00:01:06] The League Cup with Villa

[00:01:07] Played at the 2006 World Cup with Trinidad and Tobago

[00:01:10] First non-English player to join the Premier League 100 club

[00:01:13] created plenty of headlines off the pitch

[00:01:15] with certain high profile romances

[00:01:18] plus

[00:01:19] Author

[00:01:20] But what will the book club think of his 2009 book

[00:01:23] Born to Score?

[00:01:24] Find out in today's football book club

[00:01:27] It feels like a sort of a modern day retelling of the Aeneid

[00:01:32] Hey no references to actual books

[00:01:34] Come on

[00:01:35] I would go and have a great night out

[00:01:36] and end up with a woman who would then be left amazed

[00:01:39] by me getting out of bed after sex to do 100 sit-ups and press ups

[00:01:42] He's got goals, he's got shagging

[00:01:44] He's hanging out with Brian Lara

[00:01:46] Surprising amount

[00:01:47] The big three

[00:01:48] Did you know that Guy Ritchie was caught by that guy called Cycling Mikey?

[00:01:52] Oh what a freaky thing to do Bozzy

[00:01:54] Save some of that spanking for me

[00:02:04] Hello and welcome to football book club

[00:02:07] The only book club where instead of literary classics

[00:02:09] each episode we read another footballer's autobiography

[00:02:12] Less Gillian Flynn

[00:02:14] More Niall Quinn

[00:02:16] Oh

[00:02:17] Hmm

[00:02:17] Yeah sorry

[00:02:18] Hmm

[00:02:18] That happened

[00:02:19] Yeah

[00:02:20] And a gongirl reference I like

[00:02:22] Yes, yes very very very much

[00:02:24] Because Niall Quinn turned up in gongirl

[00:02:26] I remember it well

[00:02:28] Not good to watch a Rosalind Pike

[00:02:30] Uh thank you to Superfan

[00:02:32] Oh Crabtree

[00:02:33] Remember him for that one

[00:02:35] Oh Crabtree

[00:02:36] Crabtree is old and alive

[00:02:40] I'm James Buck

[00:02:40] And over this series you've read such classics

[00:02:42] As Davy Ginalas

[00:02:44] Le Magnifique

[00:02:45] Ashley Coles

[00:02:45] My Defence

[00:02:46] And Alan Brazils

[00:02:47] There's a lot of bubbly in Brazil

[00:02:50] Fuck

[00:02:50] I know

[00:02:51] What we've seen

[00:02:52] When you say it out loud

[00:02:53] I know

[00:02:54] Like it just makes it clear

[00:02:56] A real role

[00:02:56] How much of our life we've wasted

[00:02:57] Yeah

[00:02:58] But

[00:02:59] Disaster

[00:03:00] And today we're reading another classic of the genre

[00:03:03] Dwight York's explosive 2009 book

[00:03:05] Born To Score

[00:03:07] And joining me to read it are

[00:03:09] Jack Bernhardt

[00:03:10] Hello

[00:03:10] Natasha Frisco

[00:03:11] Hello

[00:03:12] And okay

[00:03:16] So set the tone right

[00:03:18] You know what you did James

[00:03:20] It's not me

[00:03:21] Dwight wrote the book

[00:03:22] And uh

[00:03:23] And James Belgium

[00:03:24] Aye

[00:03:28] Welcome everyone

[00:03:29] To the last episode of series five

[00:03:32] Dude's five

[00:03:33] It feels like series 27 honestly

[00:03:35] That wasn't the myth that was meant to be

[00:03:37] That was the exception I wanted to get

[00:03:38] And so the reaction

[00:03:39] What the reaction I wanted to get was

[00:03:41] Oh like sad

[00:03:42] But you were like

[00:03:42] This is the fifth series

[00:03:44] Yeah

[00:03:46] I've always been cancelled yet

[00:03:50] Surely

[00:03:52] Yeah sad

[00:03:54] Totally not

[00:03:55] No

[00:03:55] Yeah

[00:03:56] No no no I

[00:03:57] I am sad

[00:03:59] But for a different reason

[00:04:01] No it's um

[00:04:03] I uh

[00:04:04] I like reading these books

[00:04:05] Well I like chatting to you

[00:04:06] I don't like reading these books

[00:04:07] I like chatting to you

[00:04:08] Yes

[00:04:08] And this

[00:04:08] I've been told many times is the only condi-

[00:04:10] This is the condition of your friendship

[00:04:12] Yeah that's true

[00:04:13] Yeah yeah yeah

[00:04:15] Has to be through zoom

[00:04:16] And it has to be

[00:04:17] Yeah

[00:04:18] Has to be after having read

[00:04:19] A book by Dwight York

[00:04:20] Wait yeah

[00:04:21] Please do you want to know about my kids?

[00:04:23] No I want to know what you think of Andy Townsend

[00:04:26] Dwight York's kids

[00:04:27] Yes

[00:04:28] Jeff Bernhardt's kids

[00:04:29] No

[00:04:30] No

[00:04:33] Preconceptions of the book

[00:04:35] Preconceptions of Dwight

[00:04:38] Wow

[00:04:38] That's an interesting question

[00:04:40] Yes

[00:04:41] I have something to say first of all

[00:04:43] I met him

[00:04:44] Oh

[00:04:45] Have you

[00:04:46] I what

[00:04:47] My mum reminded me of this

[00:04:48] So I told her we were doing this

[00:04:50] And she said

[00:04:50] Do you not remember

[00:04:52] I was like 14

[00:04:54] And I was getting the train to London

[00:04:56] To see my dad

[00:04:57] Don't pull that face jacket

[00:04:58] It's not going away

[00:04:59] I heard him say

[00:04:59] Ooh

[00:05:02] And my dad used to live in London

[00:05:04] I was on the train from Stoke to Houston

[00:05:06] And he was sat opposite me

[00:05:08] Wow

[00:05:08] And apparently I did not remember this

[00:05:11] But I told my mum

[00:05:12] He went and got me a can of coke

[00:05:14] So I do think he's a bit of a prick

[00:05:17] But he did buy me a can of coke

[00:05:19] That's very sweet

[00:05:20] Actually, Tash

[00:05:21] I just something I remember from the book

[00:05:23] And don't take this the wrong way

[00:05:24] But there is a moment

[00:05:25] There is a moment in the book

[00:05:27] Where Dwight York says

[00:05:28] One of the first things he did in London

[00:05:30] In England

[00:05:30] When he went to Man

[00:05:31] Went to Vila

[00:05:32] Was he ran past an old man

[00:05:35] And then he went and got him an ice cream

[00:05:38] Oh

[00:05:38] Oh

[00:05:39] Because it's to everyone then

[00:05:40] Well he does it

[00:05:42] He says he does it

[00:05:43] Because that's what they do in Toronto

[00:05:44] To Bego for like the vulnerable

[00:05:46] So

[00:05:46] Oh

[00:05:47] Well to be fair

[00:05:48] It was when

[00:05:49] It was back in the day where

[00:05:50] If you were under 16

[00:05:51] They made you sit with a chaperone

[00:05:53] What?

[00:05:54] So he probably thought

[00:05:55] Yeah

[00:05:55] I used to have to get trolled

[00:05:57] In the 19th century

[00:06:01] And it was a horse driving the car

[00:06:02] Maybe it was younger

[00:06:03] I don't know

[00:06:04] It was when

[00:06:05] It was me on the train

[00:06:05] And Virgin trains used to make Q-sit

[00:06:08] Really?

[00:06:08] Like

[00:06:09] Yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:06:09] Was it a Virgin cola?

[00:06:12] Yeah for virgins like me

[00:06:13] Oh

[00:06:14] It was

[00:06:14] Oh

[00:06:17] That

[00:06:17] That was a sweet bit

[00:06:18] I will say when it was like

[00:06:19] It was a Virgin cola, right?

[00:06:21] And but

[00:06:22] Yeah

[00:06:22] I remember Panda Pops

[00:06:23] But he

[00:06:24] He probably did think I was vulnerable

[00:06:26] You know

[00:06:26] If I was a little kid

[00:06:27] Get the train on my own

[00:06:28] That is true

[00:06:29] That is true

[00:06:30] Technically you were vulnerable

[00:06:31] It cooks

[00:06:34] That's a nice story

[00:06:34] However

[00:06:36] That said

[00:06:37] I did come in with this

[00:06:38] You know preconceived notions

[00:06:40] Ready to change my mind

[00:06:41] Strong opinions Lucy held and all that

[00:06:44] But I still think it's a massive twat

[00:06:46] There we go

[00:06:48] There we go

[00:06:48] That's that

[00:06:49] Despite the cola

[00:06:50] He could have bought you a thousand colas

[00:06:52] And you stood up and thought

[00:06:53] He could have bought me anything

[00:06:54] Absolute waste of time buying you a cola

[00:06:56] Waste of time

[00:06:57] I will say the

[00:06:58] When that story

[00:06:59] You know where it was like

[00:06:59] I bought an old man in ice cream

[00:07:00] And the old man was like

[00:07:01] This is the greatest day of my life

[00:07:03] And he was just like

[00:07:03] That's just what I do

[00:07:05] I will say I didn't think that story was true

[00:07:07] But the fact that he bought you a cola

[00:07:08] Makes me think that maybe it is true

[00:07:10] Actually I did

[00:07:11] I did think it was true

[00:07:12] Because I think he does respect men

[00:07:14] But not

[00:07:15] That is a

[00:07:17] Men and children only

[00:07:18] Yes, yeah

[00:07:19] I think that's what's important

[00:07:19] Not his own children

[00:07:20] But other people's children

[00:07:21] Well we don't

[00:07:22] We don't again

[00:07:22] This is being very

[00:07:23] Wow

[00:07:23] Wow

[00:07:23] He's

[00:07:24] He says he's very

[00:07:27] Now we're getting to this

[00:07:27] We're getting to this

[00:07:28] He's very

[00:07:28] I guess the preconceptions then

[00:07:30] Tash

[00:07:31] With

[00:07:32] I guess

[00:07:33] Me

[00:07:34] Jack

[00:07:34] And James

[00:07:35] Not to make too many assumptions

[00:07:36] Probably

[00:07:36] More associated with

[00:07:38] The Champions League

[00:07:40] The trouble winning

[00:07:40] Main item team

[00:07:41] The

[00:07:42] Trouble winning season

[00:07:43] Possibly slightly more with

[00:07:44] Tabloid

[00:07:45] Side of twice life

[00:07:46] Yes, yes

[00:07:47] That's right

[00:07:48] Correct

[00:07:49] And the sort of

[00:07:50] Yeah

[00:07:50] The

[00:07:51] The

[00:07:51] That 99 season

[00:07:52] Basically

[00:07:53] 98-99

[00:07:54] Yes

[00:07:54] Is

[00:07:55] It really

[00:07:55] Exactly

[00:07:56] Just him as

[00:07:56] As just

[00:07:57] Goal scoring machine

[00:07:58] And Andy Cole

[00:07:59] Best pals with Andy Cole

[00:08:01] If you ignore the terrible stuff

[00:08:02] He's a great guy

[00:08:03] Yeah

[00:08:06] Well

[00:08:07] The book is good for both of

[00:08:09] For all four of us actually

[00:08:10] Because it does

[00:08:12] It promises to put the message

[00:08:13] Straight on his career

[00:08:14] His relationships

[00:08:16] And his relationship with his son

[00:08:18] Harvey

[00:08:18] As well

[00:08:19] Can it do that successfully?

[00:08:21] Let's find out as we read

[00:08:22] Born to Score

[00:08:28] So over the show

[00:08:28] We're going into more depth about the book

[00:08:30] And lots of other fun things

[00:08:32] To celebrate our final episodes

[00:08:33] But first

[00:08:34] Let's see what Amazon is saying

[00:08:36] The book has 4.3 stars

[00:08:38] From 52 reviews

[00:08:39] Including this 5-star review

[00:08:40] 52

[00:08:41] Hmm

[00:08:42] From

[00:08:43] Gav

[00:08:43] Entitled

[00:08:44] Top Man Yorkie

[00:08:46] And I will say this is a very

[00:08:50] Liberal use of capital letters

[00:08:54] This book is an capital E

[00:08:56] Excellent read

[00:08:57] Some stories that leave you amazed

[00:08:59] This man has had the life

[00:09:01] That most of us can only dream of

[00:09:02] Some of the stories about the football

[00:09:04] And the women he bedded

[00:09:05] All capitals are hilarious

[00:09:07] Only Yorkie could do it

[00:09:08] Highly recommend

[00:09:10] That's what Gav thinks of it

[00:09:14] But what do you all think of it?

[00:09:16] Recommend

[00:09:20] Do I recommend?

[00:09:22] That was a good question

[00:09:23] Do I highly

[00:09:24] All capital letters recommend?

[00:09:26] This is a good question

[00:09:27] Mm-hmm

[00:09:29] I think going through the sort of like

[00:09:32] What did I think before going in

[00:09:33] I was expecting it to be a lot

[00:09:35] Well

[00:09:35] It's obviously incredibly laddy

[00:09:37] And incredibly naughty

[00:09:38] And incredibly

[00:09:39] But there is also quite an interesting theme

[00:09:41] Running through it

[00:09:42] About

[00:09:44] The concept of fate

[00:09:45] The concept of destiny

[00:09:47] And the sort of the

[00:09:49] The battles that York went through

[00:09:52] And I think it's actually quite

[00:09:53] It's a very well written book

[00:09:55] I agree with that

[00:09:55] There's a lot of

[00:09:58] Like it starts

[00:09:58] It starts in an amazing way

[00:10:00] It starts with him like being mugged

[00:10:02] And there's a bit when he comes across as like

[00:10:04] Sherlock Holmes

[00:10:05] Funky Buddha

[00:10:05] You know the

[00:10:06] Yeah, in the Funky Buddha

[00:10:07] You know the Guy Ritchie

[00:10:08] Charlotte Combs

[00:10:09] Oh

[00:10:10] I can see the door behind me

[00:10:11] Yes

[00:10:11] It's you know

[00:10:12] 600 meters

[00:10:13] If I punch him with this hard in the face

[00:10:14] Then his nose will explode

[00:10:16] And it's a bit where he sort of does that

[00:10:18] Where he's like

[00:10:19] I can see them outside

[00:10:20] They're going to jump over these people

[00:10:21] I knew those people were there

[00:10:22] I jump over them as well

[00:10:23] We jump

[00:10:23] We run through the streets

[00:10:24] It's like

[00:10:25] He's like

[00:10:26] Fucking James Bond

[00:10:27] He's James Bond

[00:10:29] So it's quite exciting

[00:10:30] Except that it ends with him

[00:10:32] With him like catching

[00:10:33] With the police actually catching them

[00:10:35] This mugger

[00:10:36] And York like

[00:10:38] He drop kicks it

[00:10:39] And then he says

[00:10:40] Yeah

[00:10:40] Drop kicks it

[00:10:41] And he gets really angry

[00:10:42] And then the police like

[00:10:42] Whoa Yorkie's like

[00:10:43] Hey, hey, it's okay

[00:10:45] It's okay

[00:10:45] I'm not going to do it again

[00:10:46] I'm not going to do it again

[00:10:47] He turns

[00:10:48] And then as soon as they let him go

[00:10:49] He punches the guy in the face again

[00:10:53] Which is very funny

[00:10:54] I agree

[00:10:55] So it is

[00:10:55] It's quite a high octane

[00:10:57] Quite exciting start

[00:10:58] And obviously you know

[00:10:59] There's a lot of

[00:11:01] Graphic

[00:11:02] Descriptions of his sex life

[00:11:04] Which I didn't care for

[00:11:05] No

[00:11:06] But if you can sort of ignore that

[00:11:08] Which is like

[00:11:09] Difficult

[00:11:10] Because it's like a lot of naughty's culture

[00:11:11] If you can ignore that

[00:11:13] Then it's good

[00:11:14] I do kind of agree with that

[00:11:16] Because I don't know if this is

[00:11:19] Actually how I feel about literature

[00:11:21] Anymore

[00:11:21] But when we read books

[00:11:23] We're so often given

[00:11:25] Really beige ones

[00:11:26] Which just tell the story of their life

[00:11:29] This one in fair play to it

[00:11:30] It rattles through

[00:11:32] It really doesn't like for a book

[00:11:33] That's quite long

[00:11:34] He rattles through

[00:11:35] I think you mean

[00:11:35] Yeah

[00:11:36] Yeah

[00:11:36] Oi Oi

[00:11:37] It's about

[00:11:38] Pee

[00:11:38] It's what like 330 pages or so

[00:11:40] And it does

[00:11:42] It does quite fly by

[00:11:43] It's got

[00:11:43] And it's got loads of things in it

[00:11:45] That kind of make it

[00:11:47] Either good

[00:11:48] Or you know

[00:11:48] So bad it's good at times

[00:11:50] It's got goals

[00:11:50] It's got shagging

[00:11:51] It's got

[00:11:52] He's hanging out with Brian Lara

[00:11:54] Surprising amount

[00:11:55] The big three

[00:11:56] Yeah

[00:11:56] The big three

[00:11:56] I would say things I want to do

[00:11:57] If you've got two of those things in your book

[00:12:00] You're onto a winner

[00:12:01] You're onto a winner

[00:12:02] And he's got all three

[00:12:03] Really

[00:12:03] I don't know but I do

[00:12:04] But I mean

[00:12:05] I'd like to sort of

[00:12:06] In a pitching books now a day

[00:12:07] Yeah

[00:12:08] I'd like

[00:12:09] Okay sure

[00:12:09] But where's the Brian Lara?

[00:12:11] Where's the shagging?

[00:12:17] I mean I do

[00:12:18] Think that structure-wise

[00:12:20] Is very interesting

[00:12:21] Because we

[00:12:22] The treble

[00:12:23] In this series in fact

[00:12:24] In the

[00:12:25] The most recent series of Football Club

[00:12:27] The show that you're currently listening to

[00:12:28] What number's that James?

[00:12:29] We

[00:12:30] What's that

[00:12:31] What series

[00:12:31] Yep

[00:12:33] Five

[00:12:33] Yeah that's correct

[00:12:34] Yep sorry

[00:12:34] 27

[00:12:35] Yeah

[00:12:37] No we've done The treble actually quite

[00:12:39] Weirdly quite a few times with like Roy Keane

[00:12:41] And

[00:12:42] Teddy Schoingham

[00:12:43] Yes

[00:12:43] Dwight York

[00:12:44] And what's interesting is

[00:12:46] Everyone's reaction to it is slightly different

[00:12:48] And what's interesting about this book

[00:12:50] Is what I thought it was going to be

[00:12:51] And what I think a more boring book would have been

[00:12:53] Would be you start with

[00:12:56] You start with a Barcelona

[00:12:58] 1999 and say that's the high point

[00:13:00] It was great

[00:13:02] And actually

[00:13:03] The structure of the book is completely different to that

[00:13:05] That happens in like chapter 6 I want to say

[00:13:08] Like of 22

[00:13:10] Mm-hmm

[00:13:10] Like he's very

[00:13:13] It's a very well structured book in the sense that

[00:13:15] Like very exciting things happen

[00:13:17] But he knows where to

[00:13:18] I say he

[00:13:19] Ghostwriter

[00:13:20] Or whoever sort of structured this book knows like

[00:13:23] How to frame it

[00:13:24] So it's not just like

[00:13:25] I was a

[00:13:27] Football player who wasn't doing particularly well

[00:13:29] And then I met Alex Ferguson

[00:13:31] And I won The treble

[00:13:32] The end

[00:13:32] Yep

[00:13:33] There's definitely a

[00:13:34] There are many interesting themes and questions

[00:13:37] That come through this book

[00:13:38] If folks is more on the unraveling

[00:13:40] Really of his career

[00:13:40] Yes

[00:13:41] Which is

[00:13:41] And to kind of explain away his media reputation

[00:13:45] A little bit

[00:13:45] Yeah

[00:13:46] Which but it also doesn't

[00:13:48] I will say it also doesn't come across

[00:13:49] I think there are times where it definitely comes across as a

[00:13:53] I need to undo the hatchet job

[00:13:55] That he perceives has been done by Katie Price

[00:13:57] And I have to do a hatchet job on her

[00:13:59] Which is horrible

[00:14:00] Really horrible to read

[00:14:02] But like

[00:14:03] Also within that

[00:14:04] There's a really interesting sort of

[00:14:06] Question of like

[00:14:09] Of like what does it mean to achieve really

[00:14:11] There's a sort of an interesting thing of like

[00:14:13] Once he's achieved everything at Manchester United

[00:14:16] Which he does in his first season

[00:14:17] There's kind of like a question of like

[00:14:19] What now?

[00:14:19] What next?

[00:14:20] And that is fascinating

[00:14:21] I don't think we've ever sort of read a book

[00:14:23] Where that has been so explicit

[00:14:25] And so I actually

[00:14:26] In that sense I really enjoyed it

[00:14:27] Oh very good

[00:14:28] Tash, James

[00:14:30] Big thoughts

[00:14:33] We can hold it back

[00:14:34] We can hold it back

[00:14:35] It can be a slow and ravelling

[00:14:37] No, no

[00:14:38] I mean I don't think it's going to be a surprise

[00:14:40] To any of you that I actually found parts of this

[00:14:43] Really difficult to read

[00:14:44] Like more difficult than I thought I would

[00:14:46] I thought I'd kind of see it

[00:14:48] You know when we read the Kaleen book

[00:14:50] And we've read loads of books

[00:14:51] Where they kind of talk about women in that way

[00:14:53] And it's whatever

[00:14:54] You know it was part of the culture back then

[00:14:56] But he is really

[00:14:59] Really dark about some of the things

[00:15:02] That he says about Katie Price

[00:15:03] And then I looked at like at the time

[00:15:06] What was going on

[00:15:07] And she's doing it to him

[00:15:08] And it's just

[00:15:09] There is something fascinating

[00:15:11] About this period of pop culture

[00:15:13] Because it was like

[00:15:14] The internet was there

[00:15:15] So and people were saying whatever they wanted

[00:15:19] But we hadn't yet got to a point

[00:15:20] Where people were almost being cancelled

[00:15:23] For doing anything

[00:15:24] So you would say stuff with complete

[00:15:26] Like free will

[00:15:28] You would just say it out loud

[00:15:30] And he's doing it in this book

[00:15:31] Which is really unfortunate

[00:15:33] Because it's stuck in 2009

[00:15:37] And there's nothing he can do to take it back

[00:15:39] And I'm not saying he would want to take it back

[00:15:41] But it's just kind of hard

[00:15:44] I was trying not to read it with my sort of 2024 glasses on

[00:15:48] But it is quite painful

[00:15:50] And I think he

[00:15:52] Having seen some stuff that he's been doing

[00:15:54] I kind of looked what he's doing now

[00:15:56] I do think he might regret some of it

[00:15:58] I do think he probably did take it a bit far

[00:16:01] Although I did see Joey Barton

[00:16:02] Invited him on his podcast

[00:16:04] So

[00:16:05] Oh god

[00:16:06] Joey Barton's just working his way

[00:16:08] Through football club heroes

[00:16:09] And taking them all down

[00:16:11] It's terrible

[00:16:12] Yeah

[00:16:13] But I mean

[00:16:13] We'll be able to have a series six

[00:16:17] Don't worry, Joey Barton will have us in the podcast

[00:16:20] I didn't expect to like it or him

[00:16:23] But I do

[00:16:24] I think it was darker than I thought

[00:16:25] It was going to be

[00:16:26] And I think he went to depths

[00:16:28] That we've never seen before

[00:16:29] In a football or autobiography

[00:16:31] Interesting

[00:16:32] Oh, I do

[00:16:33] I do

[00:16:33] It is a weirdly

[00:16:34] Like there's

[00:16:35] There's the sort of football side of it

[00:16:36] Which is very interesting

[00:16:37] And there's the

[00:16:39] There's the

[00:16:40] Women's side of it

[00:16:41] And that's particularly as you say

[00:16:42] The Katie Price stuff

[00:16:43] Which is

[00:16:43] But I thought the split would be

[00:16:46] More like

[00:16:48] I read someone

[00:16:48] I can't remember who it was

[00:16:50] There was a pundit who said

[00:16:51] He's only bought this book out

[00:16:52] Because he's trying to stay relevant

[00:16:54] And I kind of think that might be the case

[00:16:57] Because

[00:16:57] There's the percentage of

[00:17:00] His life versus football

[00:17:02] Is completely the opposite to what I thought it would be

[00:17:04] Like there's so much about his life

[00:17:06] Yeah, that is true

[00:17:06] Right from the beginning

[00:17:07] I agree with that

[00:17:08] I was surprised I lived for a while

[00:17:09] And all of the incredible things he achieved in football

[00:17:12] Are kind of secondary to him

[00:17:13] To the gossip

[00:17:14] Do you think that's just because

[00:17:16] You know, everything has been tabloid

[00:17:18] Tabloid, tabloid war

[00:17:19] For so many years

[00:17:20] This is finally his chance

[00:17:21] In one big thing to get across his point of view

[00:17:24] On that

[00:17:24] That's largely how I saw it

[00:17:26] Because it was serialised in the newspapers

[00:17:28] You're not going to get that

[00:17:29] If you're talking about winning the treble

[00:17:31] You're not going to get all of those opportunities

[00:17:34] But I think it probably is just trying to

[00:17:36] Put to bed some of the things with his children

[00:17:39] And yeah, put to bed

[00:17:41] Well, I think that's true

[00:17:42] There's also a lot of bitterness within it though

[00:17:44] Oh, yeah, of course

[00:17:45] I'm not saying the reason

[00:17:47] This is like

[00:17:48] And not saying that you're saying this

[00:17:49] But this is not how you deal with this horrible situation

[00:17:54] It's a hot... I did not realise how terrible the

[00:17:57] Like the back and forth between them was

[00:17:59] It's really grim

[00:18:00] Well, we'll save that lightness for later

[00:18:03] That's that little bit

[00:18:04] That's coming up, James

[00:18:06] You know, thoughts on culture in stuff

[00:18:14] Well, I have to say, I also...

[00:18:16] I actually think it's the best opening of a book

[00:18:18] We might have ever read that first bit

[00:18:20] That garage...

[00:18:20] Better than Carl Douglas

[00:18:22] What was Kung Fu fighting?

[00:18:26] What was that?

[00:18:27] That was last week

[00:18:27] That was Joey and Joachim last week

[00:18:29] Oh, I thought you said Carl Douglas

[00:18:31] I was like, who the hell's Carl?

[00:18:32] Yeah, he wrote Kung Fu Fighting

[00:18:33] Come on, keep up

[00:18:34] Yeah, what was that?

[00:18:35] Don't you remember who wrote Kung Fu Fighting?

[00:18:38] No

[00:18:38] We literally recorded this episode four days ago, James

[00:18:41] Oh my god

[00:18:42] It was... And we found out that

[00:18:43] Carl Douglas was Kung Fu fighting came out

[00:18:44] The same day as your birthday

[00:18:46] Before...

[00:18:46] Oh yes

[00:18:47] Yeah, there we go

[00:18:48] And the same day as Julian Joachim

[00:18:49] Joachim was...

[00:18:50] Yeah, yeah

[00:18:51] Fighting his way to his mother's womb

[00:18:53] Who is...

[00:18:54] Who's the footballer Carl?

[00:18:55] Who was you calling?

[00:18:56] Carl Douglas

[00:18:57] Oh my god

[00:18:58] Someone needs to go back and listen to Kung Fu Fighting

[00:19:01] A few times

[00:19:04] Are you clearly off of it enough for this one?

[00:19:05] Apparently everyone was Kung Fu fighting James

[00:19:07] Someone was not

[00:19:09] This kid's not fast as lightning

[00:19:12] Sorry, James

[00:19:13] Oh man

[00:19:14] Like I wrote about saying Guy Ritchie

[00:19:16] Something about Guy Ritchie

[00:19:17] No, no, but it is...

[00:19:18] It is Papa Guy Ritchie

[00:19:19] Oh, he is

[00:19:20] Oh, also I had a thought when you were saying that

[00:19:23] Doesn't he say that he owes...

[00:19:25] At some point in this book he says he owes everything to Vinnie Jones

[00:19:27] Right, I think there's something to do with it

[00:19:28] Yes, he does

[00:19:29] Oh yeah

[00:19:30] But guys...

[00:19:30] It's because...

[00:19:31] But Vinnie Jones owes everything to Guy Ritchie

[00:19:33] Yeah

[00:19:34] Oh, so therefore...

[00:19:35] He also brags about hanging out with the guys from lockstop

[00:19:38] Like he's got a real thing going on

[00:19:40] He...

[00:19:40] Oh, it's very late 90s early in order

[00:19:42] Yeah

[00:19:43] Oh, there's a spectacular scene which I'm gonna mention later

[00:19:47] Also, did you know that Guy Ritchie was

[00:19:50] Given driving ban

[00:19:51] He was caught by that guy called

[00:19:53] Cycling Mikey

[00:19:55] No, was he?

[00:19:56] You know, have you seen that Cycling Mikey guy?

[00:19:58] Yeah

[00:19:58] Did you accidentally read Guy Ritchie's book?

[00:20:02] I just read this recently

[00:20:03] Guy Ritchie was caught by that guy

[00:20:05] And he was given a six-month driving ban

[00:20:07] Who is Cycling Mikey?

[00:20:08] He's that like Jeremy Vine, Eskse Sottle

[00:20:10] What he's like...

[00:20:11] I think he's like a Dutch guy who just literally

[00:20:14] Spends all day every day going around

[00:20:15] Trying to catch people on their phones in their cars

[00:20:17] Handed it over to police

[00:20:18] There we go

[00:20:19] That old nerd

[00:20:20] You got Guy Ritchie

[00:20:21] That was the least strong opinion on a book I've ever heard

[00:20:27] Oh yeah, book was all right, yeah

[00:20:30] I do agree

[00:20:33] It is pretty well written

[00:20:34] And I did have a dig around for a ghost writer

[00:20:36] I couldn't find one so either he's hidden him very well

[00:20:39] I think he knows it

[00:20:40] He's not in my book anywhere

[00:20:41] Yeah, I couldn't see anything

[00:20:42] They normally credit them, don't they?

[00:20:44] Yeah

[00:20:44] Wait, wait, wait, wait

[00:20:46] Martin Swain

[00:20:46] Where?

[00:20:47] Literally the last sentence

[00:20:50] Finally, a big thank you to Martin Swain

[00:20:51] Who helped me with this project

[00:20:52] He first interviewed me when I had

[00:20:54] Just set off the plane to join bit

[00:20:55] All those years ago

[00:20:55] And I doubt you could have imagined the story

[00:20:57] The story of the follow

[00:20:58] He's done me proud shaping the book

[00:20:59] As such short notice

[00:21:00] Oh well done Martin Swain

[00:21:02] Because it is a very well written book

[00:21:03] It is

[00:21:04] Shout out to Martin Swain

[00:21:06] Yeah, good work

[00:21:07] Although...

[00:21:08] Can you please help me with all of my womanising?

[00:21:10] Yeah

[00:21:12] Although I must say

[00:21:13] Chapter five being called football football football

[00:21:17] They're crazy and really funny

[00:21:19] Do you think he had some really click baited titles

[00:21:22] As such chapter titles as well?

[00:21:23] Yes

[00:21:24] And a lot of them were

[00:21:25] Towards the end especially

[00:21:26] They were like

[00:21:27] I don't know what to call this one

[00:21:28] We'll just call it the last sentence in the chapter

[00:21:31] Because there are two which is

[00:21:34] During Trinidad's

[00:21:36] Trinidad and Tobago's World Cup

[00:21:38] It's even God must have been dancing

[00:21:40] Oh yes

[00:21:41] Even God must have been dancing

[00:21:42] Battle do, battle with the chapter title

[00:21:44] That's a good chapter

[00:21:45] And the one before it was

[00:21:47] What was that one before?

[00:21:48] Was it Schmeichels cigar?

[00:21:51] That's the one that annoyed me

[00:21:52] Because you're like

[00:21:52] Oh what's this funny story with the Schmeichels cigar?

[00:21:55] It just wasn't it

[00:21:56] He just still had it in his mouth

[00:21:57] At the end of the world

[00:21:58] Shenanigans

[00:21:59] I was called...

[00:22:00] The four day party was the other one

[00:22:01] Which was literally

[00:22:03] Like it's almost at the end of the chapter

[00:22:04] It's clear like Martin was like

[00:22:06] Why are we calling this one four day party?

[00:22:07] He was like

[00:22:07] Oh yeah, because

[00:22:08] I had a four day party

[00:22:09] Anyway next chapter

[00:22:12] Jack I know there's something you wanted to talk about though

[00:22:14] So I do think

[00:22:15] I was saying before you know

[00:22:16] It's about

[00:22:17] This book is a lot about destiny

[00:22:19] And it's interesting

[00:22:20] Because I wouldn't necessarily have thought that

[00:22:21] About Dwight York

[00:22:22] But like

[00:22:23] A big thing about this book

[00:22:25] Is the fact he says

[00:22:26] That when he was three years old

[00:22:28] He was in a car accident

[00:22:29] That was nearly fatal

[00:22:33] It sounds extremely

[00:22:34] Like it should have been fatal

[00:22:36] It sounds extremely fatal

[00:22:37] He does sort of say

[00:22:38] That his family

[00:22:40] Have told the story many, many times

[00:22:41] It's getting more and more embellished

[00:22:43] Yes

[00:22:43] It was going

[00:22:44] The car was going 60 miles an hour

[00:22:47] It was a monster truck

[00:22:48] It ran me over seven times

[00:22:50] He's dragged underneath it

[00:22:51] For like 100 meters or so

[00:22:52] Yeah, dragged underneath it

[00:22:53] Like his back was burned by the exhaust

[00:22:56] It's a really horrible story

[00:22:57] And it's like

[00:22:58] But what's interesting

[00:23:00] I mean

[00:23:01] There are two interesting things

[00:23:03] That come out of this

[00:23:04] One is that he was saved

[00:23:07] By someone he refers to

[00:23:08] As only the Chinaman

[00:23:11] Yes

[00:23:11] Very strange

[00:23:14] Very strange

[00:23:15] Sort of ethnically insensitive

[00:23:18] I mean

[00:23:19] The fact he also says

[00:23:20] Like this Chinese guy appeared apparently

[00:23:23] I assume he was just like

[00:23:24] To invest in a restaurant

[00:23:26] Exactly

[00:23:26] Until he was in Lushies

[00:23:28] That was my first thought

[00:23:30] What I read

[00:23:31] No, but he sort of says

[00:23:32] Like this guy was behind him being like

[00:23:34] You know, I'm the Chinaman

[00:23:35] He fixed his injuries

[00:23:37] And then he was never seen again

[00:23:39] I think he must have been just like a tourist

[00:23:41] Who gave him like a plaster

[00:23:43] And then was like

[00:23:43] There you go kid

[00:23:44] See ya

[00:23:44] Yes

[00:23:45] Or he could have been

[00:23:45] He's definitely a tourist

[00:23:46] He could have been a doctor

[00:23:48] Like yes, right

[00:23:49] He could have been a doctor

[00:23:50] Oh no, I don't doubt the injury was serious

[00:23:52] But I like the idea that just like

[00:23:54] Just a guy being like

[00:23:54] Yeah, yeah

[00:23:56] I'm going home tomorrow

[00:23:57] I'm just gonna help you

[00:23:58] And then I'm gonna go

[00:23:59] And I'm like

[00:23:59] And we never saw him again

[00:24:01] This mysterious Chinaman

[00:24:04] One word

[00:24:04] Horrible

[00:24:05] But the other thing that's interesting

[00:24:07] Is that from that point on

[00:24:09] He has a special sort of like a magical voice

[00:24:11] In the back of his head

[00:24:12] That's always saying

[00:24:13] This is your second chance to wait

[00:24:15] You have to take your second chance

[00:24:16] You've got to take your second chance to wait

[00:24:18] And it means that for the first like

[00:24:20] 20 years of his life

[00:24:21] He's extremely driven

[00:24:23] And he believes that he's been put on this earth to

[00:24:26] To do something great in football

[00:24:29] And those things include

[00:24:32] Doing head

[00:24:32] Keeping up E headers in a bin

[00:24:34] Yep, we get more depth on that finally

[00:24:36] That which was revealed by Julian Joachim

[00:24:38] Last week as well

[00:24:39] Yeah, he tricks a guy into giving him some boots

[00:24:42] Which sounds and abide by doing 100 headers

[00:24:46] Like head balls

[00:24:48] Which sounds like the kind of thing that will be in a video game

[00:24:50] You know what I mean?

[00:24:51] Haha, yeah

[00:24:52] Like as a side quest

[00:24:53] That will be like

[00:24:53] If you can do this

[00:24:54] I'll give you this special item

[00:24:57] Literally what does that

[00:24:58] I can't think about that story

[00:24:59] What does the shot keeper get out of that?

[00:25:01] Like it can't be that fun to watch a kid

[00:25:03] In a bin doing head ups

[00:25:05] That's worth 100 quid boots or whatever

[00:25:07] They are

[00:25:07] But also even if you can't do it

[00:25:09] The guy would be like

[00:25:10] Okay, I don't get anything now

[00:25:14] I get to see a kid be sad

[00:25:16] Great

[00:25:18] But then like there are other

[00:25:19] So I mean obviously Dwight York has a reputation

[00:25:21] As being very smiley

[00:25:22] Very like, you know, like being the sort of the cheeky

[00:25:25] Shappy of the of the footballing world

[00:25:27] Yep

[00:25:28] But like he doesn't drink until he's 21

[00:25:30] And he's like

[00:25:31] He's sort of

[00:25:32] He makes very often when he's younger

[00:25:33] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:25:35] Oh sure, certainly

[00:25:37] But like he

[00:25:38] There's a story about when the trained Abton Tobago coach

[00:25:43] Sees him drinking like once

[00:25:45] He goes up to him and slaps him in the face

[00:25:47] And it's just like

[00:25:48] Don't throw your talent away, Dwight

[00:25:50] And Dwight's like

[00:25:50] Yeah, in the back of my head it was saying

[00:25:52] The second chance

[00:25:53] Second chance

[00:25:53] Second chance

[00:25:56] And then he goes to Aston Villa

[00:25:57] And he does well

[00:25:59] And then he gets the thing to go to every

[00:26:01] Every basically every important moment in his life

[00:26:03] There's the voice in the back of his head saying

[00:26:05] This is your second chance

[00:26:06] You've got to make something in your life

[00:26:07] You've got to take it

[00:26:09] And I feel like

[00:26:10] Like I said before

[00:26:10] In a normal book

[00:26:11] That would have been enough

[00:26:12] That would have been like

[00:26:13] The second chance told me I had to sort of

[00:26:15] Do really, really well

[00:26:17] Then I took my second chance

[00:26:18] I won the treble

[00:26:18] Hooray

[00:26:20] But actually what happens is

[00:26:21] They he wins the treble

[00:26:23] Hooray

[00:26:23] And then after that

[00:26:24] He is

[00:26:25] There's a

[00:26:25] He's basically like

[00:26:27] What do I do now?

[00:26:28] Like it feels almost like that voice in the back of his head

[00:26:31] That was saying

[00:26:32] This is your second chance

[00:26:33] You got to make the most of it

[00:26:35] Sort of when he wins the treble is like

[00:26:37] Yep, you're done

[00:26:38] Yes

[00:26:39] You've achieved

[00:26:40] You don't need to do anything else now

[00:26:42] And there's a joke that he makes to Alex Ferguson

[00:26:45] Which is like

[00:26:46] He sort of says to Alex Ferguson

[00:26:47] Wow I need a year off after that

[00:26:48] And Alex Ferguson is like

[00:26:49] Good one Dwight and Dwight's like

[00:26:50] I'm not kidding

[00:26:51] Yeah

[00:26:52] Like

[00:26:53] Like I literally

[00:26:54] I literally don't know what to do with my life now

[00:26:56] Now that I've won the treble

[00:26:57] Which was

[00:26:58] Which I've

[00:26:58] That is actually really interesting for that

[00:27:00] I thought that

[00:27:00] It's really interesting

[00:27:01] I got it at the time

[00:27:02] Yeah it's kind of

[00:27:02] It's kind of overwhelming

[00:27:03] It's so overwhelming for him

[00:27:04] That he could come from such humble beginnings

[00:27:07] To that basically

[00:27:08] Yeah

[00:27:08] To that

[00:27:08] And then suddenly you're like

[00:27:09] Okay like

[00:27:10] In a way it happens both too late in his career

[00:27:14] To sort of like

[00:27:15] To change his trajectory of his career

[00:27:17] Like it's sort of the peak

[00:27:19] And it's obviously not going to be topped

[00:27:21] So you're sort of like

[00:27:22] Where do I go from here

[00:27:23] And also it happens

[00:27:25] If it happened earlier

[00:27:26] Maybe it would have been like

[00:27:27] Okay

[00:27:27] Like David Beckham

[00:27:28] You sort of like

[00:27:29] It's your defining thing

[00:27:31] And then you go on to even greater things

[00:27:33] It's sort of fascinating

[00:27:34] And it does kind of like

[00:27:36] It does sort of mean that he is

[00:27:38] It kind of

[00:27:39] It raises an interesting question about destiny

[00:27:42] Which is once you've fulfilled your destiny

[00:27:43] What is your purpose?

[00:27:44] If you've been driven by this thing

[00:27:47] You no longer have your

[00:27:48] Your destinies been fulfilled

[00:27:49] Do you just retire?

[00:27:51] Do you do nothing?

[00:27:52] Do you like

[00:27:53] Go into the void?

[00:27:54] It's kind of

[00:27:55] It feels like a sort of a modern day retelling of

[00:28:00] The Aeneid

[00:28:01] You know like a sort of this

[00:28:03] Hey, no references to actual books

[00:28:05] Come on

[00:28:08] We warned you

[00:28:08] He's been told like

[00:28:10] This is the thing you're going to achieve

[00:28:12] He achieves it

[00:28:12] And then he's like

[00:28:13] What now?

[00:28:15] Obviously it's like the Aeneid

[00:28:16] But with fucking

[00:28:19] And three years in Sunwood

[00:28:20] I do agree with you Jack though

[00:28:22] Because I feel like he doesn't know

[00:28:25] Where his home is anymore

[00:28:28] He feels a little bit

[00:28:29] Full Nelly Fatado'd

[00:28:31] Yeah, he has and he's just

[00:28:36] That was a real slow burner

[00:28:38] It was good

[00:28:38] It was good

[00:28:39] Thank you

[00:28:39] It was good

[00:28:40] It was good

[00:28:41] But yeah

[00:28:43] Yeah

[00:28:43] But it's not

[00:28:44] But what's weird is that

[00:28:46] It should

[00:28:47] It's not even like

[00:28:48] Like sort of Jermaine Pennant

[00:28:49] Or like

[00:28:50] Are these other football books

[00:28:51] Where you're like

[00:28:52] Oh god, he had such talent

[00:28:53] And he wasted it

[00:28:54] Because he didn't waste it

[00:28:55] It's just this weird thing

[00:28:56] Where he's like

[00:28:57] He's achieved everything

[00:28:58] And he doesn't know what to do

[00:29:00] And it does just

[00:29:02] It leaves him unmoored

[00:29:03] And as you said

[00:29:04] And that's sort of then

[00:29:05] When the problems begin with

[00:29:06] And he's not that young when it happens

[00:29:08] Sorry, sorry Jack

[00:29:09] You're gonna say

[00:29:09] No, no, no, no

[00:29:10] It's true

[00:29:10] He isn't that young

[00:29:11] And I think that's an important thing

[00:29:12] There isn't the sort of

[00:29:13] There isn't the drive to go

[00:29:15] I've got to go

[00:29:16] You know

[00:29:16] I've got to now go on

[00:29:17] And do even more great things

[00:29:20] He doesn't have the Roy Keene personality

[00:29:22] Of I can never be happy

[00:29:24] Therefore

[00:29:25] I have to keep on trying

[00:29:26] And trying and trying

[00:29:27] He's kind of like

[00:29:28] Well

[00:29:28] That's it

[00:29:29] I've sort of, you know

[00:29:30] Like I was spurred on by this voice

[00:29:32] In the back of my head

[00:29:33] And Brian Lara

[00:29:34] Those two things

[00:29:36] And now Brian Lara is sort of

[00:29:38] You know, he's like

[00:29:39] Well, you've done everything

[00:29:40] And the voice has sort of gone

[00:29:43] It kind of

[00:29:43] It means that the years afterwards

[00:29:45] When he gets mugged in the funky Buddha

[00:29:47] And like the misogynistic attitude

[00:29:49] Towards women

[00:29:49] Yeah

[00:29:50] Like it comes

[00:29:51] It's not to say

[00:29:52] That it's justified by what's happened

[00:29:53] But like

[00:29:54] It just sort of

[00:29:55] It feels like there's a big empty void

[00:29:56] Where like

[00:29:58] Where the next stage of his life should be

[00:30:00] And he doesn't really have a home anymore

[00:30:03] And there's clearly a guilt that he has

[00:30:04] Where he isn't going back to Trinidad enough

[00:30:06] Or Trinidad and Tobago enough

[00:30:08] And he feels a huge family guilt

[00:30:10] When one of his family members dies

[00:30:11] I mean, there's just so much going on in this book

[00:30:14] I do think it's

[00:30:15] Yeah

[00:30:16] It's

[00:30:17] It is

[00:30:18] It's compelling and good

[00:30:20] Whilst also incredibly problematic

[00:30:22] Are you saying if he hadn't gone out to party

[00:30:24] After the treble

[00:30:25] And he really go that high off the treble

[00:30:27] That he might have won another treble

[00:30:29] Basically he seems to get addicted to partying

[00:30:30] Basically from like

[00:30:32] He was celebrating

[00:30:33] He gets addicted to that feeling of celebration

[00:30:35] And just never happened

[00:30:36] Well, he's sort of

[00:30:37] He's partying it

[00:30:38] Because like after he says

[00:30:39] Like I'm not drinking till I'm 21

[00:30:42] Like he then does drink after he's 21

[00:30:45] When he's at Aston Villa

[00:30:45] He does a series of horrible things

[00:30:47] Like with

[00:30:49] With Mark Bosnich

[00:30:50] That I'm sure we're going to talk about

[00:30:51] Yes, we are

[00:30:52] Like

[00:30:53] But like

[00:30:54] So it's not as if like

[00:30:56] The treble was the thing that was like

[00:30:58] You know

[00:30:58] The concept of partying was open to him

[00:31:00] Once he had achieved everything

[00:31:01] It's just that

[00:31:02] It's like

[00:31:03] And also he does well in his season

[00:31:05] The season afterwards

[00:31:05] He does well in the season after that as well

[00:31:07] It just sort of then all falls apart

[00:31:09] In a kind of confusing way

[00:31:12] Yeah

[00:31:12] Yeah, I

[00:31:13] It's quite

[00:31:14] It's quite hard to cipher

[00:31:15] But also

[00:31:16] It does just raise interesting sort of questions about like

[00:31:19] What is the point of any of this

[00:31:20] So once you've achieved the very very best

[00:31:23] What is the point of any of this

[00:31:24] I'm glad that

[00:31:25] This is kind of the antithesis to Roy Keane and that

[00:31:27] Because that made you think a lot

[00:31:29] That made me so angry

[00:31:30] He's made you think a lot

[00:31:31] And one thing I do want to mention when he was a kid though

[00:31:33] Which

[00:31:34] I pretty may be laugh

[00:31:35] He talks about Selwyn Archer

[00:31:37] Was his neighbour

[00:31:39] Yeah

[00:31:39] And did you

[00:31:40] Do you have any noticed

[00:31:42] This little mistake in the book he says

[00:31:44] Selwyn Archer

[00:31:46] Knew my family's financial struggles

[00:31:47] Help me fund the Cross Island adventures

[00:31:49] On one occasion

[00:31:50] He took me to see the Brazilian team

[00:31:51] Flamingo

[00:31:52] Play a friendly guest

[00:31:57] How come on

[00:31:59] That's what that's one mark off Martin Swain for

[00:32:02] Letting auto correct

[00:32:05] Change Flamingo

[00:32:06] I've just got

[00:32:07] I've got so much womanizing to sort out here

[00:32:08] I don't have time to deal with Flamingo

[00:32:14] So after the treble

[00:32:16] I'm going to move on to something

[00:32:19] That he possibly actually

[00:32:22] Spends more time talking about for reasons

[00:32:24] We probably will already understand from our opening

[00:32:28] Gambit

[00:32:29] He talks possibly more about a certain quadruple

[00:32:33] Than the treble

[00:32:35] It seems like in this book

[00:32:37] And that quadruple being

[00:32:39] Apparently a quite well known story at the time of Dwight having sex with four women

[00:32:43] In 24 hours

[00:32:45] And actually it's quite misleading because he has

[00:32:46] What takes one woman the first 13

[00:32:49] And then it's like 3 and 11, which is the really

[00:32:52] It was one every six hours

[00:32:53] That'll be kind of

[00:32:54] That's like

[00:32:54] Is that often the way to answer

[00:32:56] Sorry, you can say

[00:32:56] Is that usually how it goes

[00:33:00] In my experience

[00:33:01] I was going to say it's like

[00:33:02] It's like in football matches when they're like

[00:33:04] You know, it's like one nil after a half time

[00:33:06] And then suddenly in the second half

[00:33:07] They just score a little over the most

[00:33:08] Or you can have sex with four women

[00:33:10] The first like two hours and then just like

[00:33:12] You coast for the next 20 years

[00:33:13] And everyone around she's like

[00:33:14] Here we go

[00:33:15] He's going to break the record

[00:33:16] And then it just kind of like pieces out

[00:33:17] No, no, no, no

[00:33:18] Yeah

[00:33:19] Yeah, that is

[00:33:22] He really does go into a lot of that

[00:33:24] And he says it's very

[00:33:24] Very upfront at the beginning

[00:33:26] He's like he's not interested in commitment

[00:33:28] As a few people know all too well

[00:33:30] He just wants to have fun

[00:33:31] And yeah, in this story it's like

[00:33:35] The first one's on night out

[00:33:36] Then there's a married woman

[00:33:37] It gets like progressively worse

[00:33:39] The second one is

[00:33:40] In some kind of

[00:33:42] Relation

[00:33:42] Oh, the second one's got to pick up their kid

[00:33:44] That's it

[00:33:44] Like an hour

[00:33:45] Third one

[00:33:47] He meets someone at 6pm who's married

[00:33:50] He talks about them like Amazon packages

[00:33:51] That's what I thought

[00:33:52] Like they kind of come at different

[00:33:54] He's like between about 5.45 and 6

[00:33:56] The next one came

[00:33:58] That was left for my neighbour next door

[00:34:00] Then

[00:34:01] But he says like it's not unusual at the time

[00:34:05] But Jack, you alluded to something

[00:34:06] Which I think is unusual

[00:34:09] In his sex life

[00:34:10] It's on page 63

[00:34:12] Basically

[00:34:13] It all seems to take a bit of a turn

[00:34:14] Once he meets Mark Bosnich

[00:34:17] By now my crew have been joined by the Australian

[00:34:19] Girlkeeper, Mark Bosnich

[00:34:20] A character who shared

[00:34:20] I love a fun adventure when the hard work had stopped

[00:34:23] They were having fun with some girls

[00:34:26] As it seems to be happening on every single page

[00:34:28] Now a few weeks before this

[00:34:30] A technician pal of mine

[00:34:31] I knew only as Keith

[00:34:33] Like protecting his identity

[00:34:35] Kind of

[00:34:36] Had been around to fix me up with Skyma Bedroom TV

[00:34:38] That already had access to several porn channels

[00:34:40] Very, very upfront about this

[00:34:42] It's a surprise

[00:34:42] So

[00:34:43] It's so partridge-less

[00:34:44] I know what you always say

[00:34:45] It is

[00:34:46] But the whole like

[00:34:47] Yeah, he's just

[00:34:48] Even though he's apparently this, you know

[00:34:50] Sex god

[00:34:51] Like the way he speaks is very much like

[00:34:53] He's got porn on my channel

[00:34:54] I want porn on my TV

[00:34:56] And also

[00:34:56] Keith's got porn on my telly

[00:34:59] Keith, can you make porn come back on my telly?

[00:35:03] And then Keith apparently goes

[00:35:05] He asked me if I was aware that I could get a camera link

[00:35:07] From downstairs up to my bedroom

[00:35:09] This is- it does get sinister here

[00:35:10] And I thought to myself

[00:35:11] It's really sinister

[00:35:12] Yeah, why not?

[00:35:12] I was a young man

[00:35:13] Now for ever more interesting experiences

[00:35:15] Yeah, like recreating fucking sore

[00:35:17] That is how this is

[00:35:21] He says he says he says

[00:35:23] He says he hasn't thought about that

[00:35:24] Or taping anything before

[00:35:25] But then he thinks

[00:35:26] He says

[00:35:27] Bozzy

[00:35:28] Who has a freak nature

[00:35:31] Like convinces them to do it

[00:35:33] They start wearing the women's clothes

[00:35:35] And the men start-

[00:35:36] Women start wearing the men's clothes

[00:35:38] I think one or two of us might have been hoping

[00:35:40] It would turn into an orgy

[00:35:41] But that never happened

[00:35:42] Bozzy got into some spanking and toe sucking

[00:35:44] And what have you

[00:35:45] Which is all very freaky

[00:35:47] Again, he talks like

[00:35:48] That sounds so nappy

[00:35:49] Doesn't sound like a womanizer saying

[00:35:50] It's like yeah

[00:35:51] Sucking toes how freaky

[00:35:52] Yeah

[00:35:53] Oh, what a freaky thing to do, Bozzy

[00:35:56] Save some of that spanking for me

[00:35:57] He's gone from-

[00:35:59] He's gone from-

[00:36:02] Alan Partridge to Austin Powers

[00:36:03] The other AP

[00:36:06] Yeah, then it kind of fizzled out

[00:36:08] Basically

[00:36:08] But that-

[00:36:08] I love the idea that it fizzled out

[00:36:10] Yeah, it just-

[00:36:10] It just-

[00:36:11] Sorry, just like-

[00:36:11] He says only one got lucky

[00:36:12] Toe sucking

[00:36:13] Spanking

[00:36:14] We're done

[00:36:16] But then that video gets out apparently

[00:36:18] But it must have been just weird to watch him up, wasn't it?

[00:36:20] What's so weird?

[00:36:21] Wearing a bra and sucking some poor woman's toes

[00:36:24] Very odd, very odd

[00:36:26] But I think that scene

[00:36:28] And a lot of the book makes all that kind of

[00:36:30] Playboy lifestyle sound so unappealing

[00:36:32] And so uninteresting

[00:36:33] It's actually pressivary, does it?

[00:36:35] There's this incredible bit

[00:36:37] Where he goes to a party

[00:36:39] He's like-

[00:36:40] And the who's who

[00:36:42] Of all the high rollers

[00:36:43] Were there

[00:36:44] Actors, sports stars

[00:36:45] I can be chatting with Colin Montgomery

[00:36:47] Alongside the cast of Coronation Street

[00:36:51] Like it just sells rubbish

[00:36:54] Colin Montgomery and Les Bassesby

[00:37:00] Wow

[00:37:02] He even makes a-

[00:37:03] He's even one bit later on where he gets a concord

[00:37:05] And for some reason assumes that a concord is like a sex-

[00:37:08] Like a flying sex plane

[00:37:10] That plane, yeah

[00:37:11] Welcome to the sex plane

[00:37:12] And it's just a bunch of old men

[00:37:13] He goes like-

[00:37:14] He goes, oh, I was really disappointed

[00:37:15] It's everything

[00:37:17] And then he's like-

[00:37:17] The pilot was like, do you want to come see me land the plane?

[00:37:19] He's like, do I?

[00:37:21] It is very-

[00:37:22] The whole thing is very depressing

[00:37:23] The four women in 24 hours

[00:37:24] Does sound just like a really sad version of Mumbo number five

[00:37:29] Like-

[00:37:29] Oh god

[00:37:31] A little bit of married woman at six o'clock

[00:37:34] And then I move on to the woman

[00:37:36] I have to kick up her kids

[00:37:37] But like it is just-

[00:37:39] It-

[00:37:40] Yeah, the whole thing just comes across as quite sad in a lot of ways

[00:37:44] And I don't know whether he's trying to-

[00:37:48] I don't know

[00:37:48] Maybe I shouldn't give Martin that much credit

[00:37:50] Maybe Martin needs more-

[00:37:53] But yeah, maybe Martin's too buttoned up

[00:37:56] And that was what's making it

[00:37:57] But it just-

[00:37:57] Isn't it bleak?

[00:37:58] It makes something feel quite sad

[00:37:59] It is very bleak

[00:38:00] It is bleak and given how everything, like you say, kind of unravels

[00:38:03] Not to the point where he's like destitute or anything

[00:38:04] He's living a great life now, I think still

[00:38:06] Yeah

[00:38:08] I think he was-

[00:38:09] I read- I did really-

[00:38:10] He was declared bankrupt years ago

[00:38:11] But now he seems to have money again

[00:38:13] No, he avoided bankrupts

[00:38:14] That was it, sorry, James

[00:38:16] Yes

[00:38:16] By paying 1.5 million

[00:38:18] That was it

[00:38:18] In owed tax

[00:38:19] You read the same Sun article I read as well

[00:38:23] But yes, I think it's exactly what Gav wanted

[00:38:27] From the beginning

[00:38:28] Remember Gav?

[00:38:30] But then is Gav thinking

[00:38:31] Yes!

[00:38:32] Yeah, excellent

[00:38:33] He's like, oh I would love that

[00:38:34] Toad's not boss, let's just suck my toe

[00:38:36] He says what Gav was saying

[00:38:38] Has anyone got an out of context, Dwight York, for me?

[00:38:40] Yes, and I think we might all have the same one

[00:38:43] Yeah, alright

[00:38:43] Okay, because I texted the group saying it's my favorite ever out of context

[00:38:47] What's your question going to be, Tash?

[00:38:49] Shall we say what word it begins with to see if we've got the same one?

[00:38:52] Depends where we started

[00:38:53] Because I've started maybe the sentence before

[00:38:56] I've just taken the one sentence

[00:38:59] Okay, let's see-

[00:39:00] Tash, I feel like you might have a different one

[00:39:02] Or James, if you-

[00:39:03] You'll really?

[00:39:03] Yeah, maybe

[00:39:04] Just got a vibe

[00:39:05] Getting a vibe, Tash, from up between us

[00:39:08] Got slightly different-

[00:39:10] Got slightly different one

[00:39:13] I mean, mine is my favorite one we've ever had

[00:39:15] Okay, this is good

[00:39:15] From my point of view as well

[00:39:16] This is good

[00:39:17] Well, this is very good

[00:39:18] Yeah

[00:39:19] You go ahead, Tash then

[00:39:20] Let's hear it

[00:39:21] Okay

[00:39:22] I would go and have a great night out

[00:39:24] And end up with a woman who would then be left amazed

[00:39:26] By me getting out of bed after sex to do 100 sit ups and press ups

[00:39:30] That's not the same one, but that is a great line

[00:39:32] It's the same one

[00:39:34] A Patrick Bateman over it

[00:39:35] Yeah, it really is

[00:39:37] And that's after he's had sex so many times in the book

[00:39:40] He just drops that in

[00:39:41] He drops that in

[00:39:42] There's that

[00:39:43] James, did you have one?

[00:39:45] I don't want to go-

[00:39:46] Wait, I don't want to go next

[00:39:48] Okay, Jack, find it

[00:39:50] I-

[00:39:50] Because I texted him and now I can't find it

[00:39:52] Okay

[00:39:53] You text Dwight, yo

[00:39:54] I've got it

[00:39:54] Do you want me to read it at Jack?

[00:39:55] What I think-

[00:39:56] What-

[00:39:56] And you can tell me if you think it's the same one

[00:39:58] I'm sure it's the exact same one

[00:39:59] I'm sure it is

[00:40:01] I moved to a six bedroom house in the footballer's suburb

[00:40:05] Yeah, it's the same one

[00:40:06] In the footballer's suburb of Alderley Edge

[00:40:09] Where there was much more seclusion from prying eyes

[00:40:13] We enjoyed a memorable household party

[00:40:22] In which one of our younger players, Quinton Fortune, became so spooked by the tricks of a magician

[00:40:28] I hired him, he had to leave

[00:40:30] Hahaha

[00:40:43] Is this your card?

[00:40:44] I must go, I have to go, I'm sorry

[00:40:48] It's so good

[00:40:50] I was howling with laughter when I read that line

[00:40:54] Oh, Quinton, you delicate boy

[00:40:57] What delicate boy?

[00:40:59] Oh

[00:40:59] Hang on, I had another one because my one is

[00:41:02] I think the only other conversation I had with Peter Andre

[00:41:05] was when he offered to make me a coffee of his own recipe

[00:41:08] which when you taste it will make you-

[00:41:16] Which when you taste it will make you never want to have alcohol again

[00:41:19] I just looked at him gone out

[00:41:21] What's this bloke going on about?

[00:41:24] That is a great one as well

[00:41:28] It's such a funny one

[00:41:29] Hahaha

[00:41:31] Oh, sorry

[00:41:32] I've actually got my own recipe for coffee, Dwight

[00:41:36] What the fuck are you talking about?

[00:41:40] Oh yeah

[00:41:44] What could that mean?

[00:41:46] It don't know

[00:41:48] I put the Nescafe in first

[00:41:52] Um, James, do you have one?

[00:41:54] I've got an alternative on you

[00:41:57] This one really made me laugh

[00:41:58] I left a garbled message trying to express all I had to say

[00:42:02] but I felt like a bit of a geek speaking into a machine

[00:42:07] Why?

[00:42:07] Why does that make you feel geeky?

[00:42:08] Like recording in a voice mail

[00:42:10] He was like a geek

[00:42:11] Yeah, I think it was to Graham Taylor, wasn't it?

[00:42:13] It was to Graham Taylor over there

[00:42:14] It was to Graham Taylor when he was moving to Manchester United

[00:42:17] Wasn't it?

[00:42:19] It was like on the eve of the final maybe

[00:42:22] The Champions League final

[00:42:22] Oh yeah, yeah

[00:42:23] They tried to ring him and say thanks, Gaffa

[00:42:25] Yes

[00:42:26] They got their voice

[00:42:28] Yeah

[00:42:29] I felt like a bit of a geek speaking to a machine

[00:42:32] What are you talking about, Dwight?

[00:42:35] He's not going to go on that podcast then

[00:42:37] No, very true, very true

[00:42:40] Podcast?

[00:42:41] Geekland?

[00:42:42] Which is actually one of the ones

[00:42:43] Yep

[00:42:45] One of them that I like

[00:42:45] Go on

[00:42:46] As it went skywards, there would just be more running commentary

[00:42:49] That's BigFash's ball

[00:42:50] That's a big fash, baby

[00:42:51] Come to BigFash, baby

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[00:42:57] When Rooney when he marched into training

[00:42:59] Yeah, that is very Rooney

[00:43:02] Well, time now for a break

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[00:43:06] Tabloid sensation of Dwight and Katie Price

[00:43:09] AKA Jordan

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[00:46:56] Where we are still reading Dwight York's Born to Score

[00:46:59] Having said that, Terrell, many times now

[00:47:01] Do we think it's a double entendre?

[00:47:04] I actually have an alternative name that you should have called it

[00:47:08] Yeah?

[00:47:08] Yorkie, not for girls

[00:47:11] Oh, that is good

[00:47:13] That's very good

[00:47:14] That is very good

[00:47:15] Yeah, I can kind of see the cover as well

[00:47:17] Like a kind of terribly photoshopped chocolate bar

[00:47:21] But then go

[00:47:22] Yeah

[00:47:28] Quit unfortunate

[00:47:31] Time to go

[00:47:35] Tash?

[00:47:36] Yes

[00:47:36] Saying on that subject of not being for girls

[00:47:40] Let's talk to the 90s most well-known girl

[00:47:45] On these shores

[00:47:46] So, I mean, I did struggle to separate the art from the artist here

[00:47:53] So I did try and come up with some points that weren't just me

[00:47:57] Calling him a C-next Tuesday

[00:48:00] Because as I said before, I do think that

[00:48:04] Some of it is a bit too dark

[00:48:06] And I don't think we should go into it

[00:48:07] Because he does

[00:48:10] It was very, very toxic

[00:48:12] It was very off the time

[00:48:13] And I think we should leave some of it in the past

[00:48:16] With many of the Harvey related things

[00:48:19] We're talking

[00:48:19] The Harvey related things

[00:48:21] They're very sad

[00:48:22] It's very sad

[00:48:22] He's very sad, very sad

[00:48:24] And the trip that they took to Monaco

[00:48:26] I think sounds horrendous

[00:48:29] Just so anyone knows

[00:48:30] Or was that in Barbados?

[00:48:31] Which one was that in Barbados?

[00:48:33] But before they go to Barbados

[00:48:36] They go to Monaco before they split up

[00:48:38] And he takes her to Monaco

[00:48:44] And he basically ditches her

[00:48:47] So that he can pull Rod Stewart's X, Y

[00:48:51] For an unnamed married couple

[00:48:52] Oh yeah, that's very strange

[00:48:54] And he leaves her in the hotel room

[00:48:55] And it's just all very sad

[00:48:57] It's all very mean

[00:48:58] It's incredibly sad

[00:48:59] Yeah, I agree

[00:49:00] But we'll stick to that

[00:49:02] In my attempt to not rant about him

[00:49:04] For 10 minutes

[00:49:05] I did try and find some things

[00:49:07] So first things first

[00:49:09] I put my linguistics degree to use

[00:49:11] Because this man is the master of all

[00:49:14] Or maybe it's the ghost writer

[00:49:16] But using the passive voice

[00:49:19] You could read this book

[00:49:20] And think that this man has had the hardest time ever

[00:49:23] Like he's been targeted by managers

[00:49:25] He's been used by women

[00:49:26] He's been forced to have babies against his will

[00:49:28] Like it's a whole thing

[00:49:30] Where he never says

[00:49:32] I did this

[00:49:33] It's always this happened to me

[00:49:35] Always

[00:49:36] Unless it's things where he's talking about

[00:49:38] Unless it's things that are good

[00:49:39] Yeah

[00:49:42] Yeah, I was shagging

[00:49:43] But then she had a baby

[00:49:45] And I didn't

[00:49:45] You know, it's very

[00:49:47] That's a very good point

[00:49:48] The end of good distinction

[00:49:48] But yeah

[00:49:49] It's quite hard to do

[00:49:51] Consistently in that way

[00:49:52] So fair play to him for that

[00:49:54] And secondly

[00:49:56] I do have to applaud his honesty

[00:49:57] Because it is quite funny in places

[00:50:00] Like I can't believe how brazenly he names people

[00:50:04] You know, with the Ashley Cole one

[00:50:06] I was trawling dailymail.com for the dates

[00:50:09] That he was going out with someone to try and work out

[00:50:11] Who it was

[00:50:12] Dwight doesn't give a f**k

[00:50:14] And he's just

[00:50:15] He's just saying it

[00:50:16] Like yeah

[00:50:18] The Peter Andre stuff is really good

[00:50:19] Where the one laugh that he did get out of me was

[00:50:22] He says the first time that he met him

[00:50:24] He wanted to throttle him

[00:50:25] And it was really creepy

[00:50:27] Yes, perfect

[00:50:28] This is what we want

[00:50:29] Agreed

[00:50:29] Like when it's

[00:50:31] When he's being a petty little b**ch

[00:50:33] It's really funny

[00:50:35] Like before he delves into being horrible

[00:50:37] When he is being a little bit petty

[00:50:39] He can be funny

[00:50:40] For example

[00:50:41] Also

[00:50:42] Why does this man not learn to drive?

[00:50:44] Why?

[00:50:45] Yeah

[00:50:45] Or why can't he drive?

[00:50:47] Yeah

[00:50:47] That's just

[00:50:47] Well because he can't drive

[00:50:49] And have sex in the back of a car

[00:50:51] At the same time

[00:50:52] Oh, very true

[00:50:53] Yeah, I thought he did it

[00:50:53] I thought about doing that

[00:50:54] Yeah, the number of

[00:50:56] The number of stories that were

[00:50:58] That guy in gloves

[00:50:59] He had a back of a car

[00:51:00] Yeah, yeah

[00:51:00] And being like

[00:51:01] That taxi drive was sound

[00:51:02] Because he didn't go to the press

[00:51:04] When I was clearly having sex with him

[00:51:05] More than in the back of his taxi

[00:51:07] Dwight

[00:51:08] But he did

[00:51:09] He did record it all the way

[00:51:11] And we watched it

[00:51:12] We watched it on my Sky TV

[00:51:13] Several times

[00:51:16] Oh, God

[00:51:17] But there is a really funny bit

[00:51:19] Where he's sat in the back of Peter Andre's car

[00:51:22] Well

[00:51:22] Oh, yeah

[00:51:23] Peter Price and Peter are sat in the front

[00:51:25] And they're driving him to a park

[00:51:27] So we can walk around with Harvey

[00:51:29] Would you not get a taxi

[00:51:31] Rather than get in the car with your

[00:51:33] At that point in their relationship

[00:51:34] And Peter

[00:51:35] Oh, yeah

[00:51:35] You would, wouldn't you?

[00:51:37] And he's sat

[00:51:37] He's like

[00:51:38] In the book

[00:51:38] He's like

[00:51:39] Oh, God, it was such an awful journey

[00:51:40] I'm like

[00:51:41] Yes

[00:51:41] Of course

[00:51:42] Of course it was

[00:51:43] That's sitting in the back of your taxi

[00:51:44] Like a little kid

[00:51:45] As well

[00:51:47] Peter Andre is driving

[00:51:48] He's talking about special coffee

[00:51:52] I bet Peter does that thing

[00:51:54] Where he like

[00:51:54] Puts his arm behind the head

[00:51:56] Oh, definitely

[00:51:57] Yeah

[00:51:57] Now, me and Katie have been having a little chat

[00:51:59] Virtually before

[00:52:01] And we don't think you've been treating our little kid too well

[00:52:06] Something's still here

[00:52:08] I did

[00:52:10] I found like in my research around this

[00:52:12] I did find a Reddit thread though

[00:52:15] Of people who had

[00:52:16] That it was kind of anonymized

[00:52:20] If you'd ever like slept with a footballer

[00:52:22] And one of them did say

[00:52:25] That a footballer that I think is Dwight York

[00:52:28] Used a very funny chat up line on it

[00:52:31] And I want you to see if you can

[00:52:33] Guess the second bit

[00:52:34] Okay

[00:52:35] So the first bit is

[00:52:37] You can call me Arsenal

[00:52:39] Um

[00:52:41] Because I always promise a lot but ultimately

[00:52:44] I'm all out of time

[00:52:51] Because I'll be really good for 36 games

[00:52:54] For the last few

[00:52:55] Well, do you know what?

[00:52:56] You're not far off

[00:52:58] Yeah

[00:52:58] What is it?

[00:52:59] I start on top but finish second

[00:53:01] Mmm

[00:53:02] Oh that's not fun

[00:53:03] That's a good way of doing it

[00:53:04] Yeah, that's a good way of doing it

[00:53:05] Yeah

[00:53:06] And I think that

[00:53:08] Just from what she said

[00:53:10] I think that was Dwight York

[00:53:11] I think it was him

[00:53:12] Well, it was actually called during his arson.

[00:53:16] Yeah.

[00:53:17] But I think, yeah, the Harvey stuff, the Jordan stuff, I mean, I listened to Jordan's podcast

[00:53:26] to sort of get a sense of what was going on and read a bit of her mum's autobiography.

[00:53:32] And he does talk about Katie Price's mum in a nice way.

[00:53:37] However, she does not reciprocate that in her book.

[00:53:40] So I do think maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle ground.

[00:53:43] Well, actually, I read a few...

[00:53:45] I mean, I'm sure you're totally right with that.

[00:53:46] But I read a few things at the time it seemed like that the mum was quite...

[00:53:50] At the time, yeah.

[00:53:51] Yeah, because the mum said...

[00:53:52] I saw a few things where she actually did say that I liked Dwight and he was my favourite...

[00:53:56] You wouldn't believe it, but he was my favourite of her boyfriend around that time.

[00:54:00] Yeah.

[00:54:01] I think probably since this happened, all the Harvey stuff has maybe tainted it a bit more.

[00:54:06] Yeah, she's definitely said a lot of things since as well.

[00:54:08] Yeah, I just wish he would have taken Fergie's advice and stopped splashing his life all over

[00:54:17] the place and concentrated on football because he's not...

[00:54:21] I don't know.

[00:54:22] He doesn't take it well when he leaves us.

[00:54:24] And I think we know why because he does talk about that.

[00:54:27] Do you remember Rhonda?

[00:54:29] Yes!

[00:54:30] At school.

[00:54:31] Yes.

[00:54:32] Rhonda.

[00:54:33] And I think that's where this all started.

[00:54:35] So Rhonda was his first girlfriend and he says, up until this point everyone wanted to know

[00:54:39] him.

[00:54:40] He was like...

[00:54:41] It was like the jock going out with a cheerleader I think he says.

[00:54:45] And then he caught her publicly cheating on him when he's like 16 or something and she

[00:54:51] broke his heart.

[00:54:53] And from that point, I do think that she sort of ruined him in that way.

[00:55:00] Like he couldn't...

[00:55:01] He then couldn't form that bond because he couldn't trust women.

[00:55:03] He says it.

[00:55:04] I think he says he can't trust women after that point.

[00:55:07] He can't trust anyone.

[00:55:08] I think he's specific as women, but you're right.

[00:55:09] That definitely is the case with women.

[00:55:11] Yeah.

[00:55:12] It feels like he's definitely setting the scene though, if that makes sense.

[00:55:15] That's true.

[00:55:16] He names the entire chapter after Rhonda.

[00:55:17] It definitely feels like I'm going like, hey, there's going to be some bad stuff

[00:55:20] and I'm going to blame it on this girl.

[00:55:22] The reason I'm having women is because of women.

[00:55:25] It's kind of going back to my first point in that he's very passive in the whole

[00:55:29] thing.

[00:55:30] I think he's going to give me a lot of credit to him and whatever, but I think

[00:55:34] if I'm going to give him any credit and I really begrudge doing it, but the man

[00:55:38] did once buy me a can of coke.

[00:55:39] So Rhonda, wherever you are, you created a monster.

[00:55:43] Rhonda.

[00:55:44] Rhonda.

[00:55:45] Rhonda.

[00:55:46] And he does go at length to like say, like, this isn't actually the case.

[00:55:52] I did try to...

[00:55:53] I know we don't want to get into the Harvey stuff too much, but he does say,

[00:55:55] you know, X ways that I was trying to do this and then K says the opposite

[00:55:58] of that.

[00:55:59] So it's very hard to tell that.

[00:56:00] Yeah, I mean, he does actually say near to the end.

[00:56:04] I think I wrote it down.

[00:56:05] Oh yeah.

[00:56:06] I have seen far too little of Harvey, but that is because the whole experience

[00:56:09] has been so negative and unpleasant.

[00:56:10] I've had no enthusiasm to take it on.

[00:56:13] Like again, that's not really...

[00:56:16] Yeah, that's not really a reason.

[00:56:18] He doesn't help himself elsewhere with the not caring things.

[00:56:21] Because even this like his next partner who's got a kid with who he is

[00:56:24] quite besotted with, not to be in like a total relationship with them, but

[00:56:28] you know, he seems to quite like them at least.

[00:56:30] But he doesn't help himself because she goes into labor and he can't remember

[00:56:35] the hospital she told him.

[00:56:36] And then he says like, and he can't ask her parents because of issues.

[00:56:39] Like he says it's all...

[00:56:41] Yeah, that doesn't help.

[00:56:42] Yeah.

[00:56:43] And then there's a lot of vagueness throughout this.

[00:56:45] There's a lot of like understatements where he's like,

[00:56:47] I've not been the best father or like, I can't say I was the best partner.

[00:56:51] And you're like, yes.

[00:56:52] Yeah.

[00:56:53] And agreed.

[00:56:56] And also he's not very...

[00:56:58] Throughout the book, he always goes like, oh, I don't know how much I spent.

[00:57:00] Oh, I could spend any like, oh, that bar tab, it could have been anything.

[00:57:03] I didn't look at the bills at that point.

[00:57:05] And then he very meticulously breaks down his apparent payments to Harvey,

[00:57:08] which may or may not...

[00:57:09] They might be true.

[00:57:10] I've no idea.

[00:57:12] But that just is quite inconsistent with the rest of the book.

[00:57:14] That's a good point.

[00:57:15] Yeah.

[00:57:16] He's very much splashing the cash out for those.

[00:57:18] For this computer, for his school and stuff like that.

[00:57:21] And it's...

[00:57:22] I do...

[00:57:23] I mean, like the only thing I can think is that...

[00:57:25] And it sort of goes back to what James was saying.

[00:57:27] It's like, I have no doubt that he is...

[00:57:29] I think he is the wronger as opposed to the wrongie.

[00:57:33] I think that he's a very petty man.

[00:57:35] I can also see that if you were...

[00:57:37] If you are trying to answer back for it,

[00:57:40] then I can see that this would be sort of being like,

[00:57:42] I'm going to give you an itemized bill of all the things I've done.

[00:57:44] Yes.

[00:57:45] It doesn't sound good and you shouldn't put it in your footballing book

[00:57:50] where you basically say like, look how much I love my son.

[00:57:52] I bought him this computer and this thing and this thing.

[00:57:55] But I can also see that if maybe he...

[00:57:58] If he feels like this tabloid stuff has been, you know,

[00:58:01] relentlessly negative, he's trying to say his own piece.

[00:58:04] But...

[00:58:06] Oh, it's just so messy.

[00:58:07] It's so messy and so gross and so sad.

[00:58:10] It is. And it's so sad for the child.

[00:58:12] That's the saddest thing of all.

[00:58:13] But it's also...

[00:58:14] One thing that I would say is that...

[00:58:18] I think I'm not saying any way that Dwight has behaved well.

[00:58:21] He hasn't, I'm sure throughout it.

[00:58:23] I don't know how he's behaved really, but I'm sure it hasn't been good.

[00:58:26] However, I do think with a...

[00:58:28] In a relationship where everything is splashed over the tabloids,

[00:58:30] there's so much hearsay in this and, you know,

[00:58:32] Katie Brice's career at the time was effectively,

[00:58:35] you know, selling these quotes to the papers and stuff like that.

[00:58:37] And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:58:38] It must be such a hard environment anyway

[00:58:40] to have a relationship with someone working that way.

[00:58:43] So I do think it must be...

[00:58:46] It's so explosive.

[00:58:47] Everything is there.

[00:58:48] You can see now why so many footballers

[00:58:52] choose not to date people in the public eye.

[00:58:54] I mean, like it just...

[00:58:56] That era, I don't think we'll ever get again.

[00:58:59] No, yeah. It was kind of fun when you think about it.

[00:59:02] I do think about it. It's not really actually fun.

[00:59:04] At the time. Yeah, exactly.

[00:59:06] Well, that became its own sport, really, didn't it?

[00:59:09] Like watching that play out as well.

[00:59:14] Whereas now, yeah, I just...

[00:59:16] And I don't know.

[00:59:17] I just don't think people would stand for it anymore.

[00:59:20] I agree. But yeah.

[00:59:21] There's too many innocent souls like Quinton Fortune.

[00:59:25] Too many sober vegan footballers, in my opinion.

[00:59:29] We need some top shaggers back.

[00:59:32] We need to get them back.

[00:59:35] Not this far, but just like mid-level shaggers.

[00:59:39] Mid-level shaggers.

[00:59:41] And flexitarians.

[00:59:44] That's what you have had sex with one woman in the last 24 hours.

[00:59:50] And a bean burger.

[00:59:54] Sex with a bean burger.

[01:00:02] Oh, I just wanted to talk about how...

[01:00:05] Well, I mean, we've touched upon it quite a lot already,

[01:00:08] but just a big kid, isn't he?

[01:00:10] And we see this a lot with football players.

[01:00:12] Yes.

[01:00:14] But the way he talks about it is just...

[01:00:17] Like spending all his money on duplicate clothing for one thing.

[01:00:21] Saying that, you know, like,

[01:00:22] boys need to spend their money on nice cars.

[01:00:25] And my favourite bit, which is Jack's already mentioned,

[01:00:27] when the pilot invites him into the cockpit.

[01:00:32] It's so funny.

[01:00:33] He's such a little kid when he does that.

[01:00:35] He's like, Dwight, do you want to come and sit in there for landing?

[01:00:38] He's like, oh, for real?

[01:00:41] You mean it?

[01:00:43] Did all of you imagine him sitting on his lap?

[01:00:46] Sitting on the pilot's lap.

[01:00:48] I imagined him wearing the hat.

[01:00:50] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:00:51] You know, Dwight, if you keep your grades up,

[01:00:54] you may be flying one of these days.

[01:00:56] Oh, shucks, mister.

[01:00:58] But I think the culture was like...

[01:01:00] Like even managers like Fergie, such a sulky baby as well.

[01:01:03] Yeah.

[01:01:04] There's a bit where...

[01:01:05] I can't remember exactly what it is,

[01:01:06] but I think Dwight Yogg's up for an award.

[01:01:08] Is it Player of the Year and Janola gets it?

[01:01:10] Is that what it is? I think it's like...

[01:01:12] So Fergie's like, right, we're boycotting the whole event.

[01:01:14] None of us are going.

[01:01:15] It's like, what?

[01:01:16] Why can't you just be gracious and defeat?

[01:01:18] Like, it's such a culture of like being emotionally mature.

[01:01:22] Which I find really funny.

[01:01:24] Like Bradley Cooper still turns up, doesn't he?

[01:01:28] Just go along.

[01:01:30] Just go along.

[01:01:32] We're boycotting the whole thing.

[01:01:35] I kind of agree with this.

[01:01:36] And also, the changing room,

[01:01:38] which comes across as quite intimidating in other books,

[01:01:41] just comes across as really naff in this one as well.

[01:01:44] There's two examples, which were...

[01:01:47] There's one bit where York goes there and he's like,

[01:01:51] that was when I got my first taste of the legendary United dressing room humour.

[01:01:55] After Alex Ferguson had gone, the lad started teasing me.

[01:01:58] So are you Fergie's son?

[01:02:00] Giggs Eqypse?

[01:02:01] Dwight Ferguson, is it?

[01:02:03] Hilarious, first of all.

[01:02:05] That's great.

[01:02:05] So funny.

[01:02:07] I mean, you kind of had to be there, but you know.

[01:02:09] And then the next one was...

[01:02:12] He talks about... Where's 1.77?

[01:02:15] He goes, David May had a particularly wicked sense of humour.

[01:02:21] And he says about his antics and the tabloids,

[01:02:24] great read yesterday, Yorkie.

[01:02:27] He would laugh.

[01:02:28] Or, come on Yorkie, what have you got for us this week?

[01:02:31] What is wicked about that?

[01:02:33] Nothing!

[01:02:34] Wicked and the wicked sense of humour.

[01:02:37] That's a shot!

[01:02:39] When he first comes to England from Trenton and Tobago,

[01:02:46] he does keep on saying like, oh, it was great.

[01:02:49] They just fed us nothing but beans on toast.

[01:02:51] They wouldn't have rice pudding.

[01:02:53] We didn't want rice pudding and beans on toast.

[01:02:55] We wanted for nothing more.

[01:02:57] I mean, you are yes, a child at this point,

[01:02:59] but also like you're like an eight-year-old boy.

[01:03:02] It's just baffling.

[01:03:04] That is a very good point.

[01:03:06] That was a villa, wasn't it?

[01:03:08] That was villa.

[01:03:09] And there's another weird thing that happens at villa

[01:03:11] where Graham Taylor says like,

[01:03:13] oh, we're going to play some cricket now, Dwight.

[01:03:15] And so they get Dwight to be like a batsman.

[01:03:19] Oh yeah!

[01:03:20] Instead of bowling at him, he just gets all the...

[01:03:23] I'm going to say white English players

[01:03:25] to throw cricket balls at him.

[01:03:27] He goes like, have some of this.

[01:03:29] They taste your own medicine, referring to the West Indies being good at cricket.

[01:03:32] It was very funny.

[01:03:34] Is it funny or is it?

[01:03:36] Yeah, why are you attacked?

[01:03:38] Yeah, it's not too nice.

[01:03:40] However, I will say,

[01:03:42] it was nice to have a book with a positive portrayal of Graham Taylor.

[01:03:45] I thought because so many books he've read have gone on.

[01:03:48] Graham Taylor, what was he like?

[01:03:50] Whereas this has been, you know,

[01:03:52] he's really quite a father figure to him throughout this

[01:03:55] and he gives him a chance and he's always there for him.

[01:03:58] He's quite supportive of him.

[01:04:00] Also, what a great find that was.

[01:04:02] Just going on a tour of Trinidad and Tobago.

[01:04:05] Yeah, fine.

[01:04:06] Was it two weeks just like a training camp over there?

[01:04:08] Fine in Dwight Yard.

[01:04:09] I felt so sorry for the other person they brought over

[01:04:11] from Trinidad and Tobago who they're like,

[01:04:13] you haven't made the cut.

[01:04:14] Too old, sorry.

[01:04:15] Go back there.

[01:04:18] And Dwight also is also like,

[01:04:20] I think he works at the airport now anyway.

[01:04:24] Oh God!

[01:04:26] Yeah, that is sad.

[01:04:28] The Graham Taylor stuff is also weird because he does like,

[01:04:31] there's a bit where he's like, what do you think, Graham?

[01:04:33] Shall I go back and play for Trinidad and Tobago?

[01:04:35] And Graham's like, I haven't talked to you in about 10 years.

[01:04:39] Why are you calling me about this?

[01:04:43] It's very, yeah, very strange, very strange, very sweet.

[01:04:46] Yeah, Graham Taylor almost definitely doesn't think

[01:04:48] he has the same relationship with Dwight York.

[01:04:50] Dwight York, does he?

[01:04:54] Did this book change you?

[01:04:57] Yeah, actually it did.

[01:04:59] It's probably one of the more impactful books I would say.

[01:05:01] Okay.

[01:05:02] It made me think about 90s or naughty's culture again

[01:05:05] and really delve into the Katy Price stuff,

[01:05:07] which was very depressing.

[01:05:09] But also, I also find the sort of his relationship

[01:05:12] with like, with success very interesting.

[01:05:15] So yeah, I actually quite enjoyed this one.

[01:05:18] And it was more authentic 90s experience than say that,

[01:05:20] you know, that the Beckham one we read a while ago

[01:05:22] that was a bit of a time capsule,

[01:05:24] but you didn't get any like emotion to it.

[01:05:26] It was just...

[01:05:27] No, there's definitely, there's a lot of lying I'd say

[01:05:30] and there's a lot of like false memory of it.

[01:05:33] There's a lot of lying, a lot of love.

[01:05:36] But there's no, well, it's weird

[01:05:40] because he's like, brutally honest,

[01:05:42] but also brutal and not really honest about himself.

[01:05:45] But equally, somehow that still comes across as authentic

[01:05:49] and I can't quite explain it.

[01:05:51] So it's a tough one.

[01:05:53] It's a tough, strange one.

[01:05:54] I think it feels authentic

[01:05:55] because I can imagine that is exactly how he is in person.

[01:05:58] You'd never quite know what was true

[01:05:59] and what was him being a bitch.

[01:06:01] I don't think...

[01:06:02] And some books can't capture that.

[01:06:03] Some books don't capture the realism.

[01:06:05] Yeah, but this is...

[01:06:07] This I imagine is exactly what he's like.

[01:06:10] And also that thing where you can kind of believe

[01:06:13] that when you're reading, you're like,

[01:06:15] yeah, that makes sense.

[01:06:16] And then you think about it like later and you go,

[01:06:17] oh God, no, wait.

[01:06:19] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:06:20] That's really disturbing what he said there.

[01:06:22] It's a bit that, you know, the thing with the frog

[01:06:25] and the hot water and it's like...

[01:06:26] Yes.

[01:06:27] And by the end he was saying all this awful stuff

[01:06:29] and I was like, God, this is just washing over me at this point.

[01:06:32] Wait, I don't know what the frog and the hot water thing was.

[01:06:34] What?

[01:06:35] The frog and the hot water.

[01:06:36] The time Dwight York drank a...

[01:06:39] He put a frog in a pan of water

[01:06:42] and he heat it up slowly and just chills.

[01:06:44] Well, it doesn't chill it.

[01:06:45] Oh, it doesn't chill.

[01:06:46] No, no, no.

[01:06:47] The exact opposite.

[01:06:48] Dwight York didn't do this, did he?

[01:06:49] No, no, no, no.

[01:06:50] It's a metaphor.

[01:06:51] Oh, okay.

[01:06:52] Oh, I know metaphors.

[01:06:53] So metaphors are basically when you say one thing

[01:06:55] but you're talking about something else.

[01:06:56] And what's...

[01:06:57] And a frog?

[01:06:58] What's this?

[01:06:59] Don't worry about it, James.

[01:07:01] Don't worry.

[01:07:02] It's been a long series.

[01:07:03] But yeah, I think...

[01:07:06] I did enjoy reading it and I do think...

[01:07:09] One thing is it kind of shows how much...

[01:07:12] Oh, we've come in 15 years really.

[01:07:14] Like this wouldn't get away with this anymore.

[01:07:17] Yeah, that's probably true.

[01:07:19] But I did find it interesting.

[01:07:22] It was very thought provoking in a way.

[01:07:28] I think he's a strange, strange man

[01:07:32] that has a lot of demons

[01:07:34] and I think he puts them out onto other people

[01:07:38] rather than into his craft.

[01:07:41] Interesting.

[01:07:42] Okay.

[01:07:43] Yeah.

[01:07:44] But not Andy Cole.

[01:07:45] Go on, what a partnership they were.

[01:07:48] Writing out 10.

[01:07:50] Oh, it's a hard one there.

[01:07:52] I'm going to jump in and give it an A because I enjoyed it.

[01:07:55] For the book, I'd give it one

[01:07:57] and morally I feel like I can't.

[01:07:59] Yes.

[01:08:00] To not only me.

[01:08:01] Yeah.

[01:08:02] But I did enjoy reading it

[01:08:03] so I'm going to give it a seven.

[01:08:05] Okay.

[01:08:06] Yeah, I'm going to be a coward and say seven as well.

[01:08:08] Okay.

[01:08:09] Not that you were a coward.

[01:08:10] I'm saying that I'm a coward

[01:08:11] for just basically saying,

[01:08:12] I'm not going to go beyond that.

[01:08:13] Same.

[01:08:14] Yeah.

[01:08:15] I know your market down at some point, Jack,

[01:08:17] when you win the quiz in a minute.

[01:08:18] No, when you win the quiz.

[01:08:20] This one, I have no idea how I would actually market.

[01:08:22] If I had to have the option of marking out about it.

[01:08:24] I don't know what I'd do.

[01:08:25] In a world of beige reads,

[01:08:26] it's a colorful read and it's fun.

[01:08:28] Yeah.

[01:08:29] Yeah.

[01:08:30] Yeah.

[01:08:31] James Balgen.

[01:08:33] Yeah, fine.

[01:08:34] Five.

[01:08:35] Bloody hell.

[01:08:36] Come on.

[01:08:37] I cannot predict what is going on with James Balgen.

[01:08:39] Show some character, boy.

[01:08:40] I didn't enjoy it that much.

[01:08:41] Oh.

[01:08:42] I didn't enjoy it that much.

[01:08:43] Sorry.

[01:08:44] I'm not going to read too much reading lately.

[01:08:45] So, this is my opinion.

[01:08:47] It's fine.

[01:08:48] You can have your opinion.

[01:08:49] Sorry.

[01:08:50] I'm sorry.

[01:08:51] I just...

[01:08:52] You think about Quentin Fortun again?

[01:08:54] Oh, wait.

[01:08:55] Can you do the Peter Andrew again?

[01:08:56] That might bump up to a six.

[01:08:57] Oh, no.

[01:08:58] Let me figure out the numbers.

[01:09:00] Eight plus seven plus six.

[01:09:02] Six.

[01:09:03] That is...

[01:09:04] Can you tell us how to make a coffee?

[01:09:07] Twenty-eight.

[01:09:08] Oh, my special coffee.

[01:09:09] Oh, guys.

[01:09:10] Your special coffee.

[01:09:11] You'll need a drink.

[01:09:12] Alcoholicine.

[01:09:14] You got seven.

[01:09:15] You got seven overall.

[01:09:16] I've got seven.

[01:09:18] This week on the quiz...

[01:09:20] Your name is the quiz time.

[01:09:22] Yay!

[01:09:23] This time on the quiz, this week on the quiz, you're named after Dwight Glamorous, drinking

[01:09:27] partners.

[01:09:28] Jack, your Carmen Electra.

[01:09:30] Tash, your Ricky Ponting.

[01:09:32] And James, your Norris off Coronation Street.

[01:09:39] There's no evidence that you drank with Norris, but I like to imagine that it was

[01:09:42] Norris.

[01:09:45] What milestone is Dwight talking about here?

[01:09:48] It was extremely enjoyable and represented the start of many such adventures.

[01:09:52] Carmen Electra.

[01:09:54] It's the first time he had sex because I've underlined the fact that he said it was

[01:09:59] extremely enjoyable.

[01:10:00] I know, right?

[01:10:01] What?

[01:10:02] What awful description!

[01:10:03] Oh, what an enjoyable thing to have done.

[01:10:06] My goodness.

[01:10:07] We should do that again.

[01:10:12] That's the last time we're doing that.

[01:10:14] Not!

[01:10:15] That was great!

[01:10:20] Oh, man.

[01:10:22] God, really, we all urged to sleep with Jack after that.

[01:10:27] I was going to say, I'll drink with you anytime.

[01:10:30] Too sexy.

[01:10:32] Who had the worst dress sense of any footballer Dwight's encountered?

[01:10:36] I'm going to guess.

[01:10:37] Carmen Electra.

[01:10:38] No, I don't know.

[01:10:40] Oh, sorry.

[01:10:41] That's your name.

[01:10:42] Sorry.

[01:10:43] I was going to say very mean.

[01:10:44] Yes, the answer, Jack.

[01:10:46] Ugo Echiog?

[01:10:47] Nope.

[01:10:48] Poor Ugo.

[01:10:49] We love that guy.

[01:10:50] I know, but there was a very sweet bit where he says Ugo Echiog takes

[01:10:56] edges to read the menu at restaurants.

[01:10:58] Oh, yeah.

[01:10:59] That was very sweet.

[01:11:00] Such a slam.

[01:11:01] Yeah.

[01:11:02] I'll give you a paper villa with him.

[01:11:04] I think he was wearing an older pro towards the end of his career there.

[01:11:07] Talksport host.

[01:11:08] Carmen Electra.

[01:11:09] Paul Merson.

[01:11:10] Nope.

[01:11:11] I'm going to take away Dean Saunders and apparently it's a, yeah, but have you seen the label?

[01:11:16] Okay, we're going back in the gutter.

[01:11:20] Who is Dwight's dream woman to get it on with?

[01:11:23] Any hopes?

[01:11:24] Oh, I know.

[01:11:25] Yes.

[01:11:26] No, it's not for the street.

[01:11:28] Yeah.

[01:11:29] It's Natalie and Brulia.

[01:11:31] Very correct.

[01:11:32] Very correct.

[01:11:33] Yeah.

[01:11:34] I forgot my bloody name.

[01:11:36] Ricky Ponty.

[01:11:37] Sorry.

[01:11:38] Yes, Bowdian.

[01:11:39] You are correct.

[01:11:40] It is Natalie and Brulia.

[01:11:43] What is Jordan's favorite genre of film?

[01:11:46] What is Katie Price's favorite genre?

[01:11:48] Oh, Ricky Ponty.

[01:11:49] Yes.

[01:11:50] Vampire films.

[01:11:51] Correct.

[01:11:52] Horrible vampire horror movies.

[01:11:54] Very funny.

[01:11:55] Oh, this is close.

[01:11:57] They got two points to play with.

[01:11:59] It's one all the moment between of you.

[01:12:01] What is the name of Dwight Housekeeper?

[01:12:05] Oh, the common lecture.

[01:12:09] Yes.

[01:12:10] Norma is correct.

[01:12:12] Always gets those.

[01:12:14] You're so good with like...

[01:12:16] I know because I've written down saying Norma is Dwight's intelligence.

[01:12:21] Because Norma is the one who reads all the papers.

[01:12:24] Yes.

[01:12:25] That's very true for him.

[01:12:27] And finally, what was Dwight's last text from Roy Keane after he was sacked as

[01:12:33] United Man?

[01:12:34] Common lecture.

[01:12:35] Go fuck yourself.

[01:12:37] Go fuck yourself is correct.

[01:12:39] It was very, very funny.

[01:12:41] Jackie, you pulled out again.

[01:12:44] 3, 1.

[01:12:45] Just like Dwight.

[01:12:46] Very enjoyable.

[01:12:51] You've got the last Ken's Long of the series, my friend.

[01:12:54] Lovely.

[01:12:55] You know what?

[01:12:56] You can all listen to it as a treat.

[01:12:58] Usually I make you leave the room.

[01:13:00] I'm going to play you a tune of Through the Wire by Keane, sampling Shaka Khan.

[01:13:06] Who's going to get counsel first?

[01:13:08] Dwight York or Keane?

[01:13:09] Well, I guess it's already...

[01:13:11] Some serious notes in this, Joan.

[01:13:15] Yeah, I was going to say.

[01:13:16] Yeah.

[01:13:17] What was I going to say?

[01:13:19] We got a message the other day saying, I really like Ken's songs because they're

[01:13:23] so long and drawn out and then the footballer comes at the end.

[01:13:25] Whereas this is the absolute opposite of that.

[01:13:27] It's the first word.

[01:13:29] You're going to hear it through the wire.

[01:13:31] Zeke Fryer's got his eyes upon the ball.

[01:13:35] There's no chance you'll make it through.

[01:13:38] You'll gladly risk it all.

[01:13:40] Zeke Fryer's...

[01:13:42] Okay, once you get the name out at the beginning, it really does.

[01:13:45] It's really hard to pull it to your teeth.

[01:13:47] You sound a bit like Ken.

[01:13:48] It's like telling a joke that you start with the punchline.

[01:13:52] It's like, no, no, no.

[01:13:53] The set up is very funny.

[01:13:55] But we're all here for the punchline.

[01:13:58] James, were you singing it then?

[01:14:01] Sounded like when they force Michael's arrow to sing on SuperBud.

[01:14:04] I'll take it.

[01:14:07] Right down to the wire.

[01:14:09] It's all Zeke Fryer's...

[01:14:12] There we go.

[01:14:13] Remember Zeke Fryer's?

[01:14:15] Yeah.

[01:14:16] Lesson learned, don't start with the name.

[01:14:18] Don't start with the name.

[01:14:19] Don't start with the name.

[01:14:20] But good though.

[01:14:21] Good though.

[01:14:22] I forgot he existed.

[01:14:23] Play for Spurs as well.

[01:14:24] You need to play for Spurs.

[01:14:25] And Palace.

[01:14:26] Yeah.

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[01:15:18] We're going to chat more in detail about a roundup of the series and our favourites

[01:15:22] and stuff, but did anyone have a favourite book this series?

[01:15:24] I think statistically Roy Keane came out on top.

[01:15:27] In terms of numbers.

[01:15:29] Oh, dear.

[01:15:31] Oh, not enjoyable.

[01:15:34] Not enjoyable.

[01:15:36] That actually really upsets me.

[01:15:38] Okay.

[01:15:39] Well, let's save that.

[01:15:40] Have you got a table?

[01:15:42] I won't lie.

[01:15:44] I forgot to do it from the first episode and I thought about going back

[01:15:47] and listen to the end of every episode.

[01:15:49] And I thought, nah, too much love for.

[01:15:54] So no one's going to ask me about that.

[01:15:57] Certainly not one of my other podcast hosts.

[01:16:01] I think the bigger...

[01:16:05] What was it?

[01:16:06] I do write somewhere.

[01:16:07] I think Roy Keane came out on top then.

[01:16:09] Walcott or Kaleen.

[01:16:10] I think Kaleen technically was higher.

[01:16:12] I like Kaleen.

[01:16:13] Kaleen feels like a really nice antidote to this book, I'd say.

[01:16:17] Yep. That's very true.

[01:16:18] Yeah, it's kind of the response to it all.

[01:16:21] It's the fuck you write back to the...

[01:16:23] Yes.

[01:16:24] Good.

[01:16:25] I love a little Frankie and Amy.

[01:16:26] The second time we've mentioned Amy and Frankie this year.

[01:16:28] I know.

[01:16:29] That's come up.

[01:16:30] It's timeless classic.

[01:16:31] Let's get Ken's on the name of Frankie.

[01:16:32] We're getting working on that over the summer.

[01:16:35] Attache about James.

[01:16:37] Quick one words.

[01:16:38] Favourite book?

[01:16:39] Oh, Lampard's Magic Football.

[01:16:41] Absolutely.

[01:16:42] Like nothing else we've ever...

[01:16:46] That was fun to do, to be fair.

[01:16:48] That was very fun to do.

[01:16:50] That's a funny episode.

[01:16:51] Tash, Jeveron?

[01:16:52] Was it Kaleen?

[01:16:53] Yeah, obviously Kaleen.

[01:16:54] But I did actually...

[01:16:55] Sorry, we're all asking.

[01:16:56] I have actually enjoyed quite a lot of these books this season.

[01:17:01] I think...

[01:17:03] I too.

[01:17:04] We enjoyed Walcott, didn't we?

[01:17:06] Did we enjoy Walcott?

[01:17:07] Yeah, Walcott was fun.

[01:17:08] Yeah, Walcott was fun.

[01:17:09] But yeah, there's been some good ones.

[01:17:12] That's not a joke.

[01:17:13] That's not a genuine joke.

[01:17:15] Who was the best host?

[01:17:17] Me for one episode or James for the rest?

[01:17:20] Absolutely right, Tash.

[01:17:22] That's the end of this episode.

[01:17:24] That's the end of it.

[01:17:25] I haven't got time for anything else.

[01:17:27] But thank you everyone for reading all the books.

[01:17:30] It's been a joy reading these largely terrible books with you as always.

[01:17:33] And thanks as always to our listeners for sticking with us

[01:17:37] and for sending all your lovely messages throughout the series

[01:17:40] and for sharing us and everything.

[01:17:41] Thank you so much.

[01:17:42] We will be back at some point.

[01:17:43] We're not sure when.

[01:17:44] But you know, hang in there.

[01:17:47] And thank you to all those who joined the club as well, the book club.

[01:17:51] You're incredibly special to us.

[01:17:52] All of you are special, but they're slightly more special.

[01:17:55] And we will be back soon until we are back guys.

[01:17:58] Any last words?

[01:17:59] Very enjoyable.

[01:18:01] It was.

[01:18:02] This series was enjoyable.

[01:18:04] It was.

[01:18:05] Last one wasn't.

[01:18:07] It was a joke.

[01:18:18] Thanks for listening to football book club.

[01:18:20] It featured James Bug, Jack Bernhardt, Natasha Frisco and James Balgen.

[01:18:25] Thanks to Dwight York for writing the book.

[01:18:27] The theme music is behind is the work of Silent Partner

[01:18:30] and is used in the Creative Commons 4.0 license.

[01:18:33] We'll see you soon for series six.

[01:18:35] Until then, book, book, book.

[01:18:38] Bye.

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