Roy Keane vs Mick McCarthy Pt. 1

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[00:01:00] Make McCarthy One silent captain, twice silent manager and three times

[00:01:09] barnsly player of the season. One, the championship managing wolves and

[00:01:13] sun-land, one the double, playing for Celtic, played ten games for Leon during which Leakype genuinely called him Mike McCarthy. Plus, author who is very much not on Roy Keen's Christmas card list.

[00:01:25] Nick and Roy famously had a huge falling out at the 2002 World Cup, but who was right? Who was wrong? And most importantly, who's got the better book? Find out as we reopen the battle that turned islands last World Cup appearance into Bedlam is Mitt McCarthy versus Roy Keen.

[00:01:39] As a stand-up comedian you're told, open your best joke, close your second best joke.

[00:01:44] Yeah. Nick has opened with his 300 worst jokes.

[00:01:48] Sort of like if they made a version of Titanic where every five seconds the captain turned to the camera and went, I love ice mugs.

[00:01:56] Right, World Cup's off. Gary Dottie's inches. No point, no point.

[00:02:00] How are we gonna stop Spade? How are they gonna stop Arthur? I'm gonna fuck her!

[00:02:11] Hello and welcome to Football Book Club.

[00:02:14] The only book club where instead of literary classics each episode we read another footballer's autobiography. Less Arthur Conan Doyle, more Oincoyle.

[00:02:25] Could have gone a couple of ways. Could have gone Kevin Doyle I thought.

[00:02:27] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Might be my fault. That was what was coming.

[00:02:30] Arthur Oincoyle is a nice throwback.

[00:02:33] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:02:34] Like the hit Oincoyle's name again.

[00:02:35] That is what I liked about it as well.

[00:02:37] I would personally like the same number of syllables in the first book.

[00:02:41] That is exactly what it was going to say, especially with something like Arthur Conan Doyle where it has such a rhythm to it.

[00:02:46] Arthur Conan Doyle you're expecting how about a dub and a coil?

[00:02:49] Yeah, or foils more less.

[00:02:51] Less coils more.

[00:02:52] Coils more, yeah.

[00:02:55] And thank you regular book club contributor Matthew Brazier for that one.

[00:03:01] I'm James Bug and over the weeks will be reached.

[00:03:03] Oh, I just sliked off a list of the shows.

[00:03:05] Yeah, I've got an absolute...

[00:03:06] He's a like-out for that.

[00:03:08] This is the first and last time you come on the podcast, Andy.

[00:03:12] Oh, crazy.

[00:03:13] This is...

[00:03:13] It's quite nice that we set this trap up isn't it?

[00:03:16] The start of the show.

[00:03:17] Like go on then.

[00:03:18] What do you think about it?

[00:03:19] Well, that was done by...

[00:03:21] 8 year old kid.

[00:03:22] Listen, listen.

[00:03:26] Uh, James Bug.

[00:03:27] But he was his last wish to turn the little thing for a man over a send that in.

[00:03:32] Right, we've got Greg on.

[00:03:33] On James Bug and over the weeks we'll be reading such classics as Didier Jogba's commitment

[00:03:37] and Rio Ferdinand's thinking out loud.

[00:03:40] But today is part one of Mitt McCarthy versus Roy Keane,

[00:03:43] and we are reading Mitt McCarthy's World Cup diary.

[00:03:50] Imagine it to be titled Islands World Cup 2002.

[00:03:53] And joining me to read it are Jack Bernhardt.

[00:03:56] Hi.

[00:03:56] And welcome to the show.

[00:03:58] Another brilliant writer making his book club debut.

[00:04:00] You heard him just now slagging off Matthew Brazier.

[00:04:04] Joe, it is the creator of Apple TV's excellent trying and you won't him.

[00:04:09] Hello.

[00:04:10] Yes, so that's not true.

[00:04:14] Not sure it's well enough and only show...

[00:04:15] You have to say Apple TV shows trying.

[00:04:18] It's not friends.

[00:04:19] You can't just say creative friends.

[00:04:21] You can say creative friends?

[00:04:22] Do you want to...

[00:04:23] Say creative friends?

[00:04:24] Say creative friends.

[00:04:25] Yeah, yeah, do you see that?

[00:04:26] Do you count say creative friends because it's friends?

[00:04:28] Right, any show that's not friends, you have to say

[00:04:30] Apple TV show.

[00:04:31] I mean, it's a series now.

[00:04:33] Has that three series now?

[00:04:34] It's pretty good.

[00:04:35] No, that's a lot.

[00:04:35] If it's not friends now, Andy, when's it going to be friends?

[00:04:38] Yeah.

[00:04:39] When is it going to be friends?

[00:04:41] Yeah, I know.

[00:04:43] Welcome, Andy.

[00:04:44] How you doing?

[00:04:45] I'm very well.

[00:04:46] Thank you very much.

[00:04:46] Thank you for inviting me on.

[00:04:48] Very well.

[00:04:49] Can we read a book?

[00:04:50] Yes.

[00:04:50] This is the first book I've read since...

[00:04:54] I would say 2019.

[00:04:56] Oh, what?

[00:04:57] Wow.

[00:04:57] When I read...

[00:04:59] I went out...

[00:04:59] I just don't...

[00:05:00] I just think it's overrated.

[00:05:01] I think TV is just wicked good now.

[00:05:06] Especially since that Apple TV show tried it.

[00:05:10] It's all like, I just watch it over and over again.

[00:05:13] I read Jonathan France and Freedom and then this.

[00:05:17] That was the...

[00:05:20] You needed two years to recover from that and then...

[00:05:22] Yeah.

[00:05:23] I found this quite traumatic, I'll be honest.

[00:05:25] It wasn't an easy read.

[00:05:26] Was this your first ever football autobiography?

[00:05:30] I've read Bobby Robcens.

[00:05:32] I was a boy with my dad like on see 25 years ago.

[00:05:35] Okay.

[00:05:36] I'm an Ipsichord fan, that's why I'm doing McLean Arty-Bubley.

[00:05:39] So I bought Bobby Robcens.

[00:05:41] I think I probably have read another Ipsichord back in the day when I was a kid.

[00:05:46] But I think this is...

[00:05:47] Yeah, Bobby Robcens and McLean are two...

[00:05:51] Maybe Terry Venables.

[00:05:52] I want to say I read something about Terry Venables as well.

[00:05:54] You love a manager.

[00:05:55] You love a manager.

[00:05:56] There was an abiturality there.

[00:05:57] Is it that?

[00:05:58] Yeah.

[00:05:59] Is it a bit tree?

[00:06:03] I do prefer managers to players, I think it's more interesting.

[00:06:07] Okay.

[00:06:07] I just think they tend to be a bit more candid and also I really like tactics and coaching

[00:06:13] and I really like to read about it and the players don't tend to talk about it as much.

[00:06:18] I would say no spoilers.

[00:06:20] I would say if you're looking for any tactical insight in this book

[00:06:22] I really isn't very much in this book.

[00:06:24] I'm not saying that my god, he isn't a tactician but in this book.

[00:06:27] I just...

[00:06:28] I think there's actually a fair bet or an interesting...

[00:06:31] I mean, there is some...

[00:06:33] He's not reinventing the wheel but I do think that Andy's right in the sense that

[00:06:38] it was a book where you could tell this to someone who could see the whole pitch

[00:06:41] because obviously he can see the whole pitch because he's the manager.

[00:06:44] I felt like the actual writing of the matches, I thought was quite good personally

[00:06:50] but that's just me.

[00:06:51] I mean, I think more like insight into like...

[00:06:55] Yeah, I'm sure.

[00:06:56] ...and set up and stuff like that.

[00:06:57] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:06:58] Well, we definitely did watch the games.

[00:07:00] Yeah.

[00:07:01] He definitely...

[00:07:02] Yeah.

[00:07:03] He was definitely able to see both penalty areas exactly

[00:07:07] and what else really is there?

[00:07:09] I mean, yeah.

[00:07:10] Like he...

[00:07:10] I have a whole bit on his tactics.

[00:07:12] Okay.

[00:07:13] I'm excited about it.

[00:07:14] We may want to leave it to then.

[00:07:15] But I am fascinated by his tactics, by what passed four tactics.

[00:07:21] Okay.

[00:07:21] In sort of...

[00:07:22] Even relatively recently, you said 2002 is not that long?

[00:07:26] No, really.

[00:07:27] Not that long ago.

[00:07:27] You know?

[00:07:28] You mentioned your nipsits fan Andy and I won't lie.

[00:07:33] A while ago, I did think it'd be funny to get us to do

[00:07:36] Mitt McCarthy versus Call Matt McCarthy.

[00:07:39] In fact, you've read two looks in three years.

[00:07:42] That might be more challenging.

[00:07:44] So it's a good thing that another writer, comedian,

[00:07:47] wanted to do Roy Kings book as well, which is why we count the idea.

[00:07:51] Reopen these old wounds and pit them against each other.

[00:07:54] Keen versus McCarthy.

[00:07:56] Because it was huge.

[00:07:57] It was massive.

[00:07:57] It was huge.

[00:07:58] And it's of course, it's the big 21 and a half year anniversary.

[00:08:01] Yeah, exactly.

[00:08:02] Yeah, yeah.

[00:08:03] It's a huge anniversary.

[00:08:05] We have to say...

[00:08:06] A bit McCarthy's depression that will never...

[00:08:09] Yeah.

[00:08:10] Never fully recovered.

[00:08:10] He's been to rest from one and a half years now.

[00:08:12] Having PTSD.

[00:08:13] Yeah.

[00:08:14] But I think that does explain why the book is limited.

[00:08:17] I think the extent to which the book is limited

[00:08:20] is because of how traumatic it was.

[00:08:22] It just feels like you're reading a defense

[00:08:27] in reading someone who is desperate to defend himself against.

[00:08:30] Because what he went through is honestly,

[00:08:31] I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

[00:08:33] Right, yeah.

[00:08:33] No, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

[00:08:36] I wouldn't wish it on a mid ranking enemy.

[00:08:40] Yeah, that's true.

[00:08:41] It's just...

[00:08:41] Can you imagine that?

[00:08:43] It's just absolutely hated by a whole country.

[00:08:46] While you're trying to manage a world cup,

[00:08:48] imagine how stressful a world cup is.

[00:08:50] And that on top of it.

[00:08:51] Yeah.

[00:08:52] And it's a generation he did not have therapy.

[00:08:54] He has not had any therapy about this.

[00:08:56] He hasn't had any therapy about this.

[00:08:57] You know that.

[00:08:58] You know he's dealt with this side of me.

[00:09:00] This book is the therapy.

[00:09:01] Come on.

[00:09:02] I know.

[00:09:03] Yeah.

[00:09:04] But I honestly, this...

[00:09:06] I genuinely think he could well have PTSD about this.

[00:09:09] And if you hear him talk about it,

[00:09:10] like this is the guy that managedip's reach.

[00:09:12] This he was so diligent.

[00:09:13] He was so sensitive to criticism.

[00:09:16] He was stuck two things up to the crowd

[00:09:18] during the episode which night he's game

[00:09:19] where we were just like burying the players,

[00:09:21] which I understand.

[00:09:22] But he was just absolutely...

[00:09:24] He was so defensive and you can see why.

[00:09:27] Because he just went through this time

[00:09:28] when everyone was calling for his head.

[00:09:30] Everyone was telling him he was a terrible manager

[00:09:32] in the press.

[00:09:33] It's like the whole country

[00:09:34] was debating whether we were good writers.

[00:09:36] And it's just...

[00:09:36] I can imagine...

[00:09:37] Imagine.

[00:09:38] Yeah.

[00:09:39] Yeah.

[00:09:40] Not the whole country.

[00:09:41] Yeah, yeah.

[00:09:42] Not...

[00:09:42] Depressively.

[00:09:43] Yeah.

[00:09:44] You mean there's new staff right there?

[00:09:45] There's a small number of people.

[00:09:46] People are coming to the radio theatre.

[00:09:49] This is just...

[00:09:50] Yeah.

[00:09:51] People are coming to the radio theatre

[00:09:53] taught at you James.

[00:09:54] Yeah.

[00:09:54] Not the same.

[00:09:56] They go, oh well.

[00:09:57] Yeah.

[00:09:58] Maybe next week.

[00:09:59] Yeah.

[00:10:00] Yeah.

[00:10:00] Um...

[00:10:02] So does that mean we're going to go easy on him today

[00:10:04] because of this PTSD or...

[00:10:06] I mean, I...

[00:10:07] I am on Mixed I Wart Morning Roy's.

[00:10:09] I'll be honest with you.

[00:10:10] Well, say that, I'll leave it.

[00:10:12] But yes.

[00:10:12] That is good to know.

[00:10:13] But with caveats that there were flaws?

[00:10:15] Yes.

[00:10:16] Yeah.

[00:10:16] I agree with that.

[00:10:17] As you can probably guess

[00:10:19] with the books title,

[00:10:21] it's an diary form

[00:10:23] starting at the beginning of the qualifiers in 2000

[00:10:26] all the way up to the end of the tournament in South Korea

[00:10:30] in Japan in 2002

[00:10:32] and all the drama along the way

[00:10:35] including the very juicy stuff

[00:10:37] that we will get to.

[00:10:38] But let's do it.

[00:10:39] Let's read Mitma Karthi's World Cup diary

[00:10:42] which I know isn't the name of the book,

[00:10:43] but it's so advanced in the world.

[00:10:46] Ireland's World Cup 2002

[00:10:47] with K-thal Devlin.

[00:10:49] With Kaha.

[00:10:51] I think you'll find actually.

[00:10:52] As someone who is...

[00:10:53] Oh, God, sorry.

[00:10:54] As someone who is...

[00:10:54] Who is Anglic from Ireland?

[00:10:56] Or a Koala.

[00:10:56] Yeah.

[00:10:57] Yeah.

[00:10:57] Yeah.

[00:11:02] So over the show,

[00:11:03] we're going to go into the book in depth.

[00:11:04] There's a quiz and a Ken song at the end.

[00:11:07] But first,

[00:11:08] let's see what I was saying about the book.

[00:11:10] It's got 4.9 stars.

[00:11:12] What?

[00:11:13] From five ratings.

[00:11:14] That's still very high.

[00:11:16] It is high.

[00:11:16] It is high.

[00:11:17] Admittedly that it's high.

[00:11:18] Enough for many.

[00:11:18] However, there's only one written review on there

[00:11:21] and it's not great a bit early.

[00:11:22] Okay.

[00:11:23] So I found one on Goodreads,

[00:11:25] courtesy of Peter Wilson

[00:11:26] who gave it a three-star review

[00:11:28] and it says,

[00:11:30] having read another book,

[00:11:32] I decided to read this as well.

[00:11:33] I don't know.

[00:11:34] Did he reach up from...

[00:11:36] From France?

[00:11:37] Yeah.

[00:11:38] That sounds like me, that's my overview.

[00:11:39] Having read well in my life in 2019.

[00:11:43] I decided to read this as well,

[00:11:45] but to find out more about this man,

[00:11:47] not only was he a football manager of my club again,

[00:11:50] but also I wanted to see what he was like beforehand

[00:11:52] and I was interested,

[00:11:54] of course, in his side of a story

[00:11:55] that has three sides.

[00:11:56] Pure nonsense.

[00:11:57] I'm not...

[00:11:58] That's true.

[00:11:59] That's three sides?

[00:12:01] Yeah, what are the three sides?

[00:12:02] Roy Keen,

[00:12:03] Mitt McCarthy.

[00:12:04] What's the other one?

[00:12:06] I don't know.

[00:12:07] Jason McAteer.

[00:12:08] Jason McAteer, so he...

[00:12:09] Exactly.

[00:12:10] Well that's what

[00:12:12] Peter kind of thinks of it,

[00:12:13] but what did you think of it?

[00:12:14] Andy, as the guest.

[00:12:15] How funny.

[00:12:16] Your thoughts.

[00:12:18] I think that...

[00:12:20] I mean, I think there are 30 good pages in it.

[00:12:24] And sneakily he has topped them right

[00:12:26] right in the middle of the book.

[00:12:28] You say sneakily.

[00:12:30] Because I think most people would give up

[00:12:31] quite early on in this book.

[00:12:33] It does get better,

[00:12:34] but I think actually it's the sneakiness of it.

[00:12:38] What?

[00:12:38] Is risky.

[00:12:39] I think most people would have just flicked to the...

[00:12:41] I think most people have just flicked to the chapter.

[00:12:43] And I wouldn't have been paid

[00:12:45] whilst the amounts of money has come to this podcast.

[00:12:46] I wouldn't...

[00:12:47] Just...

[00:12:48] I would have just flicked straight to the chapter.

[00:12:51] You did commit to this probably.

[00:12:52] You did tell me that when I said to you,

[00:12:54] we need to do this in like the next couple of weeks.

[00:12:55] You were like, okay,

[00:12:56] I set myself a target.

[00:12:57] Was it 16 pages a day?

[00:12:59] You told me you're two?

[00:13:00] I worked out with a Cal哥.

[00:13:01] How many do I have to get through?

[00:13:03] And it absolutely ruined my Christmas.

[00:13:07] All through Christmas.

[00:13:08] I was like, what did you do?

[00:13:09] So I ended there.

[00:13:10] It's like, no, my home good this day is.

[00:13:12] I know I've got 16 pages of honestly,

[00:13:16] like and doh right away.

[00:13:18] And whether he's going to play Duff in the number 10 position

[00:13:21] or further forward.

[00:13:23] That's tactics by the way.

[00:13:25] Oh yeah!

[00:13:28] Also, yeah, the Nile Quinn testimonial was where I was like,

[00:13:31] I'm telling you.

[00:13:31] I just...

[00:13:33] There is no relevance there.

[00:13:35] I did skip a qualified one.

[00:13:37] That's very nice.

[00:13:38] I did skip a couple of qualified things.

[00:13:39] Literally nothing.

[00:13:41] It is very much the,

[00:13:43] I know there's some sort of reference immediately

[00:13:44] but it's the when are we going to get to the fireworks factory

[00:13:47] or the sort of like you know,

[00:13:49] side pan is coming and you're like, come on,

[00:13:50] when's it going to get there?

[00:13:52] When are we going to get there?

[00:13:53] And I mean, when we get there, it's really good.

[00:13:55] It is good.

[00:13:55] It is good.

[00:13:56] It's really good.

[00:13:57] But as a standoff comedian,

[00:13:59] you're told to open with your best,

[00:14:02] well, open your best joke, close your second best joke.

[00:14:04] Yeah.

[00:14:04] Mick has opened with his 300 worst jokes.

[00:14:07] So...

[00:14:07] LAUGHTER

[00:14:09] Well, and then he's told,

[00:14:13] on see four fucking blinders.

[00:14:15] Yeah.

[00:14:16] And then just a limptop station.

[00:14:17] LAUGHTER

[00:14:22] He sort of got like,

[00:14:22] we're going to spend another 20 minutes

[00:14:25] just in silence for a bit.

[00:14:26] Yeah.

[00:14:27] But I think it was because he...

[00:14:29] Because that qualifying plane was genuinely impressive.

[00:14:32] I mean, they'd be...

[00:14:33] Yes.

[00:14:33] ...poll and they drew with Portugal.

[00:14:35] They didn't get...

[00:14:36] They just slip up against anyone.

[00:14:38] No, no.

[00:14:38] And I think he wanted that on record

[00:14:40] to say, have you look at what we did?

[00:14:42] Yeah.

[00:14:42] I absolutely.

[00:14:43] Because I had the exact same thing where I was like,

[00:14:45] this is the dullest thing I've ever read.

[00:14:47] It's so boring why I just get to get to the interesting stuff.

[00:14:51] And once we got to the interesting stuff,

[00:14:52] I was sort of a bit like you again.

[00:14:54] I just felt like felt a sense of like sadness

[00:14:57] because you do realize that like he knows that he's only...

[00:15:00] The only...

[00:15:01] Oh, people are only going to get this book for what happened

[00:15:04] before the World Cup and with the whole fall out of Roi-Kin.

[00:15:06] But he wants to spend...

[00:15:08] He's got you hostage for 150 pages.

[00:15:10] We were like, no, you're gonna hear now how well we did

[00:15:13] because we did really fucking well.

[00:15:15] Mmm-hmm.

[00:15:15] And it's boring but you sort of like,

[00:15:18] fair enough in a way.

[00:15:19] But good...

[00:15:19] But the job with the...

[00:15:20] Just job with the Instatural Football is

[00:15:22] good qualifying campaigns are boring.

[00:15:24] Yeah.

[00:15:24] That's...

[00:15:25] That's interesting.

[00:15:26] You've done them wrong.

[00:15:27] I mean, there is some like...

[00:15:29] There is drama throughout because...

[00:15:31] Yeah, yeah.

[00:15:32] There's always something going on that bubbling on me,

[00:15:34] scossing a chart.

[00:15:34] And I wonder if the book might be more interesting

[00:15:36] if we didn't know that the huge thing was coming

[00:15:38] that the other dramas might feel much

[00:15:40] because basically I thought the book could be summed up in one line

[00:15:43] which is on page 22,

[00:15:45] which was nothing is ever easy

[00:15:47] when you're Mitt McCarthy and the man

[00:15:48] of the Republic of Ireland,

[00:15:49] International Football Team.

[00:15:50] Yes.

[00:15:51] Absolutely.

[00:15:52] That is basically the whole book could be without one line

[00:15:54] and that's done.

[00:15:55] That was such a funny line.

[00:15:56] Because like, it could just...

[00:15:58] It could have just been nothing's ever easy for me

[00:16:00] or nothing's ever easy for me and my team.

[00:16:02] Nothing's ever easy for Mitt McCarthy

[00:16:04] and the International Irish Football Team.

[00:16:07] But it does feel like that throughout that

[00:16:09] and he is very down-to-be-drone writing it.

[00:16:11] I think this book,

[00:16:12] and we're going to get into the index on this book,

[00:16:14] this book to me,

[00:16:15] I think you could draw in

[00:16:16] modern mental health theories.

[00:16:18] I think you can draw in state of the nation.

[00:16:20] The way everyone wants to be a victim.

[00:16:21] Billionaires want to be victims now.

[00:16:23] We could do this once we have a victim.

[00:16:24] It will also be a victim.

[00:16:25] Mitt McCarthy loves being a victim.

[00:16:27] We all like being victims.

[00:16:28] We all love it.

[00:16:29] But Mitt McCarthy's personality at this point

[00:16:32] becomes set as the...

[00:16:33] Where is me a little bit?

[00:16:35] And to be fair,

[00:16:36] and little bit is.

[00:16:37] But he's from this point on,

[00:16:39] he becomes,

[00:16:40] you know, Lady Luck continues to shit on me by the way.

[00:16:42] Mitt McCarthy, you know that's who he becomes.

[00:16:46] And it's a very tempting sort of narrative.

[00:16:49] You know, I think we all need to be victimed

[00:16:51] a little bit to get through the fucking day,

[00:16:53] especially when you're having days like him.

[00:16:54] Can we say fucking?

[00:16:55] Oh, we can. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:16:57] You can say it.

[00:16:58] Yeah, let's keep going.

[00:16:59] Fuck, fuck, fuck.

[00:17:00] I mean,

[00:17:01] I think that's interesting

[00:17:03] because I was sort of wondering

[00:17:04] when do you think this book is written?

[00:17:06] Like it's August 20th, August 2002,

[00:17:08] so is it back?

[00:17:09] Is it August?

[00:17:10] I thought it was up to that.

[00:17:11] It was up to that.

[00:17:12] So it was published October.

[00:17:13] It's interesting because it's published October

[00:17:15] and the bit at the top is August 2002.

[00:17:19] But it can't all be written on August 2002, can it?

[00:17:23] Well, I imagine you just,

[00:17:24] I don't know how coachwise

[00:17:24] would have been.

[00:17:25] I imagine he just sits in a room

[00:17:26] and tells him everything and he writes it all down.

[00:17:28] All you can do is pretty quickly.

[00:17:29] Maybe there's an ongoing thing with

[00:17:30] I think it must have been an ongoing thing.

[00:17:32] What was the car hold, urban?

[00:17:34] Because I think

[00:17:34] the last state of the last game

[00:17:36] the last game was June as June something.

[00:17:39] And then it's August,

[00:17:40] it doesn't after thought where he's like

[00:17:41] we all came back and you know,

[00:17:42] came every other part of the rest.

[00:17:45] And then he says in August like,

[00:17:46] oh yeah, we've just beaten Finland 3-0.

[00:17:48] Hopefully we'll qualify for 2004

[00:17:50] and then literally like two weeks after this comes out

[00:17:53] Mick resigned, which is really sad.

[00:17:55] Did he, did he resign?

[00:17:56] Because he took the Sunland job or did he know he got sacked?

[00:17:59] He got sacked.

[00:18:00] He was basically, it wasn't the qualification job

[00:18:03] for 2004 was not going well

[00:18:06] and he won like he was pushed out.

[00:18:08] Ah!

[00:18:09] But I suppose my question is

[00:18:11] I completely agree with the ghost race thing

[00:18:12] that's usually how these books are written

[00:18:14] where you're like someone says

[00:18:15] sit down and we'll go through your whole thing

[00:18:17] but this is so,

[00:18:19] the time frame is so quick

[00:18:21] and he gets through so much stuff

[00:18:24] and he's also just had an incredibly traumatic thing

[00:18:27] that's happened to him.

[00:18:28] I feel like he must have been writing it from

[00:18:32] 2000, that's how I feel.

[00:18:33] I feel like it must be an ongoing thing

[00:18:36] just because also there's so much stuff

[00:18:38] where you're like

[00:18:39] you wouldn't say that if you knew what was coming

[00:18:40] regarding like breaking the rest of it.

[00:18:43] That is a very interesting point

[00:18:44] because as we're going to let you do

[00:18:47] Roy Keen does pop up a lot in it

[00:18:48] but there is nothing suggesting

[00:18:51] there's sometimes be like

[00:18:53] oh, Roise a bit grumpy

[00:18:54] there's that kind of stuff there

[00:18:55] but there's nothing really

[00:18:56] suggesting that all

[00:18:57] it's going to really really really kick off.

[00:18:59] I mean there's the Iran

[00:19:00] the Iran qualifier which is when

[00:19:03] yes I think that's when

[00:19:05] when his behavior does seem to be

[00:19:08] suspect I think

[00:19:09] I was so stunned he didn't go with the team

[00:19:11] to Iraq to Iraq

[00:19:12] Yeah me too

[00:19:13] Even if you're injured

[00:19:14] I mean even if you're

[00:19:16] you're short I mean you're surely going to go

[00:19:18] because so

[00:19:19] for the commercial game to go

[00:19:20] well they're too not from the first leg

[00:19:23] but if they you know

[00:19:24] they have to

[00:19:25] not lose an Iran too badly

[00:19:27] and Keen says he's injured

[00:19:28] and just doesn't turn up

[00:19:29] and there doesn't say bye to everyone

[00:19:31] and it's just it's bonkers

[00:19:33] and I can't

[00:19:34] The sliding doors moment is I wonder

[00:19:37] because because the argument

[00:19:39] centered later on in second

[00:19:41] where Mick McCarthy

[00:19:43] well Roy King thinks Mick McCarthy

[00:19:44] uses him of

[00:19:45] of of of feigning entry to get

[00:19:47] to get out of that game

[00:19:48] and the reason he got out that game

[00:19:49] is because the deal he did with Alex Ferguson

[00:19:51] was if the game is done

[00:19:53] you've got a dodgy knee

[00:19:55] you don't play

[00:19:56] and so I just wonder what

[00:19:58] what what would have happened to Ireland

[00:19:59] had they won that first game one

[00:20:01] nil

[00:20:01] yeah and the game wasn't done

[00:20:03] and and there wasn't a question

[00:20:04] of whether he feigned

[00:20:05] because he would have gone

[00:20:06] probably played

[00:20:07] I think we really want the weather

[00:20:08] best friend of soul to this day actually

[00:20:10] what I think

[00:20:15] yeah I agree there are lots of moments

[00:20:17] where you're like this

[00:20:19] this has just been slightly different

[00:20:20] maybe this horrible thing wouldn't have

[00:20:22] I agree we'll get to we'll get

[00:20:23] to the Roy King stuff later

[00:20:25] because that'll be that we've got

[00:20:26] there's a lot to open up

[00:20:27] and you know I feel like

[00:20:29] I feel like Mick's life has probably

[00:20:30] been so dominated by Roy King

[00:20:31] we should give Mick a chance

[00:20:33] to give him just to make one by himself

[00:20:35] yeah yeah

[00:20:36] so just to focus on him

[00:20:37] and Andy I know that there's

[00:20:39] one thing that you

[00:20:40] particular wants to pick up on

[00:20:41] which has some problems with

[00:20:43] which was

[00:20:44] the diary format of the book

[00:20:46] in general

[00:20:48] well yeah I think we've sort

[00:20:49] we talked about it a little bit

[00:20:50] I it is a

[00:20:52] it is a bummer

[00:20:54] it's like

[00:20:55] you know it is it is disappointing

[00:20:58] because you're all getting up for it

[00:21:00] there have been some successful

[00:21:02] diaries over the years

[00:21:03] yeah and

[00:21:04] you can you can you can learn from

[00:21:07] and I would say Anne Franksdory

[00:21:08] did not start in 1993

[00:21:10] really hoping you were going to say that

[00:21:11] one time

[00:21:13] we can we can say fucking

[00:21:15] she knew how to get

[00:21:16] she got to the she was

[00:21:17] junior had to get to the the

[00:21:19] crocks of the matter

[00:21:20] yeah

[00:21:24] I will say

[00:21:25] without the assistance of journalist

[00:21:26] Karl Derbun as well

[00:21:32] but the other thing

[00:21:33] it tries to keep

[00:21:35] the excitement going for the whole book

[00:21:38] it tries to stop you

[00:21:40] racing through the end

[00:21:40] but then what is also done is he's put

[00:21:43] a lot of pictures in the book

[00:21:45] in two sort of

[00:21:46] two

[00:21:47] groupings

[00:21:49] and all of the pictures give away

[00:21:52] what happens afterwards

[00:21:53] including one picture

[00:21:54] where a fan is holding up a banner

[00:21:57] featuring the scoreline of a match

[00:21:58] he is yet to describe

[00:22:02] so all of his good work

[00:22:04] in trying to pace us

[00:22:05] yeah it's completely undone

[00:22:07] but by this one picture of him

[00:22:09] commiserating with the players

[00:22:10] after they lose the penalty shootout

[00:22:11] and it's before the

[00:22:13] and it's before the world cup

[00:22:15] that's a really interesting

[00:22:16] because that happens in every autobiography

[00:22:18] and you are right

[00:22:19] I do always look at that

[00:22:20] look ahead of those bits

[00:22:21] and go like oh that's really

[00:22:22] that's the same thing

[00:22:22] yeah it is impossible not to look at pictures

[00:22:25] glossy pictures like that when you come

[00:22:26] you can't skip over and go back

[00:22:28] you have to look at it

[00:22:29] arguably I think I

[00:22:31] I start by looking at those pictures

[00:22:32] and then you just give me up for the rest of the book

[00:22:35] absolutely

[00:22:35] jump there and then go back

[00:22:37] especially for a book as text heavy

[00:22:38] as this one is

[00:22:39] oh it's so

[00:22:40] yeah I think

[00:22:41] in defense of me and McCarthy

[00:22:42] there's not anyone reading this book

[00:22:44] who doesn't know the scores of the games

[00:22:46] he's

[00:22:46] did we

[00:22:50] well I'm going to have to wait for the book

[00:22:52] that's why you rushed it out

[00:22:53] I did forget hola went out

[00:22:55] I assumed it wasn't

[00:22:56] it was portico who hadn't qualified

[00:22:57] in that group

[00:22:57] no

[00:22:58] yeah I mean stuff like that

[00:22:59] yeah

[00:23:00] I mean

[00:23:00] I honestly can't remember

[00:23:01] can you remember who won the where the FA Cup two years ago

[00:23:04] oh no

[00:23:05] no

[00:23:05] never

[00:23:07] yeah

[00:23:07] Liverpool

[00:23:09] I don't know maybe

[00:23:10] yes but it's no way of knowing

[00:23:11] yeah it was the same day you're a vision

[00:23:13] I'm watching it

[00:23:15] Liverpool beat

[00:23:16] someone

[00:23:17] Chelsea

[00:23:18] Chelsea

[00:23:18] I think it was

[00:23:19] let's go with that

[00:23:19] I think there's so much

[00:23:21] there's so much football now

[00:23:22] it just absolutely

[00:23:24] morphs into each other

[00:23:26] and it haven't got a clue

[00:23:27] I will okay so I

[00:23:28] I agree with that but I do also think

[00:23:30] that 2002 for me was like a pivotal welcome

[00:23:33] so I remember quite a lot

[00:23:34] like you know I can tell you all about

[00:23:36] Ronald D news goal against the England

[00:23:38] I can tell you all about

[00:23:39] Ravaldo holding his face off

[00:23:41] in the turkey match

[00:23:42] like

[00:23:43] there I think there are certain things

[00:23:45] where like that's been

[00:23:46] burned into my brain

[00:23:47] but I could do this

[00:23:48] was this the year

[00:23:50] the England breaker heart

[00:23:51] could we all have different years

[00:23:52] oh no 98 was the year England broke my heart

[00:23:54] right because this 96

[00:23:56] yes I was going to say

[00:23:58] that's that's a I was like two years later

[00:24:00] and I was like hey guys this is fun

[00:24:01] never know

[00:24:02] I think I was 2018

[00:24:04] my biggest

[00:24:05] really you kept it you kept it intact

[00:24:07] all of that

[00:24:08] because I never really I liked it

[00:24:10] especially but I never really care

[00:24:11] quite as much

[00:24:12] and then when the England team

[00:24:13] was basically the spurs team

[00:24:14] I got really

[00:24:16] yeah

[00:24:17] when I remember being absolutely

[00:24:20] absolutely heartbroken

[00:24:21] into the extent that I still can't

[00:24:22] well actually 1990 I remember as well

[00:24:25] I remember Gary Linnick has scored

[00:24:27] running down the bottom of the garden

[00:24:29] absolutely thrilled

[00:24:31] and then absolutely heartbroken

[00:24:33] but I was young

[00:24:34] are you sure you remember it

[00:24:35] or are you just remembering Bobby Obson's

[00:24:37] autobiography

[00:24:40] but I don't know about you but genuinely

[00:24:42] if if if clips of that match

[00:24:44] that that is cheering the England

[00:24:46] Germany 1990 if clips of that

[00:24:48] come on

[00:24:49] I'd have to turn I have to turn it off

[00:24:51] yeah really

[00:24:52] it is honestly

[00:24:54] deeply genuinely deeply upsetting

[00:24:56] and to say with 96 I cannot

[00:24:58] they showed a replay of it a while ago

[00:25:02] the idea of sitting through that

[00:25:03] is honestly it's like reading through old

[00:25:06] like your first girlfriend's

[00:25:07] like love letter I mean it's honestly

[00:25:08] the idea of it would be so heartbreaking

[00:25:12] and by 98 I had got

[00:25:13] I was a hard callus

[00:25:15] really okay

[00:25:16] in my heart

[00:25:17] and I was like I was willing them to go out

[00:25:19] like fuck you

[00:25:20] I've got you

[00:25:21] I hate you

[00:25:22] do you remember when we watched

[00:25:24] when we all together

[00:25:24] when we watched Iceland

[00:25:25] yeah that was funny

[00:25:27] that was funny

[00:25:28] because by then I was now

[00:25:30] absolutely not I was like

[00:25:32] I was done with love

[00:25:33] and I was just laughing

[00:25:34] I was absolutely happy

[00:25:35] I was delighted

[00:25:37] oh yeah

[00:25:38] I mean I wonder if there's a similar thing

[00:25:40] with like Irish people

[00:25:42] I mean surely this is the last world cup

[00:25:43] like Ireland have been in

[00:25:45] yeah

[00:25:46] I don't want to

[00:25:47] saying I mean I don't want to be

[00:25:48] I don't want to be sort of xenophobic

[00:25:50] like plucky Irish

[00:25:51] but I mean

[00:25:52] I mean get it would have hurt

[00:25:54] but do you think it only happens

[00:25:55] if you support a country which

[00:25:57] thinks it's going to win a world cup

[00:25:59] well

[00:26:01] no I mean

[00:26:02] I think I think

[00:26:02] I think I'd write to an extent

[00:26:04] yeah and I think that's what

[00:26:05] Roy

[00:26:05] and even

[00:26:05] I didn't know to bring up again

[00:26:06] but I think Roy Keenium

[00:26:07] gets annoyed about that

[00:26:08] that he would hate the fact

[00:26:10] that you just said that

[00:26:10] the fact that people go

[00:26:11] oh the plucky Irish

[00:26:12] they're just turning it up from

[00:26:13] obviously

[00:26:15] but I do

[00:26:16] I do think they were

[00:26:16] heartbreaking

[00:26:17] they could have got to the semi

[00:26:18] they could have got to the semi

[00:26:19] yeah

[00:26:20] it was easy

[00:26:20] this was that mad world cup

[00:26:23] career and turkey pain

[00:26:24] the third and fourth place playoff

[00:26:26] so yeah

[00:26:26] I give a say

[00:26:28] got to the quarter final

[00:26:29] and all kinds of mad

[00:26:30] yeah

[00:26:30] yeah

[00:26:32] it was

[00:26:33] it was the thing

[00:26:33] where

[00:26:34] if

[00:26:34] because I don't know

[00:26:35] who did Spain play in the quarter

[00:26:36] finals

[00:26:36] was it South Korea

[00:26:37] yeah

[00:26:38] it was Korea

[00:26:38] thank you

[00:26:39] so who did it

[00:26:40] career

[00:26:40] for Italy

[00:26:41] to career

[00:26:42] for Italy

[00:26:43] and then they'd be Spain

[00:26:44] I think

[00:26:45] oh wow

[00:26:46] yeah

[00:26:46] so it could have

[00:26:48] you know

[00:26:48] Ireland could have gone quite far

[00:26:50] I think

[00:26:50] so they would have played

[00:26:51] career in the quarters

[00:26:52] they would have played

[00:26:52] career in the quarters

[00:26:53] and then they would have played

[00:26:54] what

[00:26:55] Germany

[00:26:56] and again

[00:26:57] in the

[00:26:59] in the semis

[00:27:00] so that is hot

[00:27:00] so that is

[00:27:01] that is

[00:27:02] that's pretty hard

[00:27:02] for me

[00:27:03] if you go out

[00:27:04] and you think

[00:27:04] we had

[00:27:05] if you told us before

[00:27:06] we have to be South Korea

[00:27:08] to be in the world cup

[00:27:08] semifinal

[00:27:10] yeah

[00:27:10] I mean

[00:27:12] as an ipsistram

[00:27:12] we've just drawn

[00:27:13] made

[00:27:13] we've just drawn made stone at home

[00:27:15] in the fourth round

[00:27:16] of the FA Cup

[00:27:17] and I'm already

[00:27:17] looking at hotels

[00:27:18] I'm already going

[00:27:20] do you know

[00:27:20] you've got to win six games

[00:27:21] to win the FA Cup

[00:27:22] well we're one

[00:27:23] way we're two in

[00:27:24] we are one lucky draw

[00:27:27] away from being one lucky draw

[00:27:29] away from being one lucky draw

[00:27:30] away from being the final

[00:27:31] yeah

[00:27:31] watching the final end

[00:27:32] thing can happen

[00:27:36] but I do

[00:27:37] but I think that

[00:27:37] and also this island team

[00:27:38] was good

[00:27:39] they were really good

[00:27:40] they were good

[00:27:41] well this is the thing

[00:27:41] this is the thing

[00:27:42] about

[00:27:43] James is going to stop us

[00:27:44] talking about working

[00:27:44] but this is the thing

[00:27:45] is you do wonder

[00:27:47] it's hard to know

[00:27:48] what to think about

[00:27:48] this

[00:27:48] this

[00:27:49] island team

[00:27:50] because are they

[00:27:51] a team which has

[00:27:52] Robbie Keane

[00:27:53] Damien Duff

[00:27:54] Kevin Kilban

[00:27:55] a really solid goalkeeper

[00:27:57] cracking

[00:27:58] four-barrier Steven Carles out

[00:27:59] but you know

[00:28:00] really good

[00:28:01] actually

[00:28:01] every five pages in the book

[00:28:04] he does love Steven Car

[00:28:06] loves Steven Car

[00:28:07] loves his pace

[00:28:09] oh he loves his pace

[00:28:10] he loves his pace

[00:28:11] there was a line in there

[00:28:12] when Steven Carves

[00:28:12] ruled out the World Cup

[00:28:14] just as the World Cup

[00:28:15] will continue without

[00:28:16] Steven Caron Gary Doherty

[00:28:18] so it will continue

[00:28:19] with that Roy Keane

[00:28:22] the World Cup

[00:28:22] I love the like

[00:28:22] organiser guy

[00:28:23] look right

[00:28:24] well cuts off

[00:28:24] Gary Doherty's injuries

[00:28:26] yeah

[00:28:27] no point

[00:28:28] what's the point

[00:28:31] I do wonder whether

[00:28:32] yeah Gary Doherty

[00:28:33] will come to go

[00:28:34] Gary Doherty is a funny

[00:28:35] runner in this book

[00:28:36] yeah

[00:28:37] because

[00:28:38] he almost cops it more than Roy Keane

[00:28:40] every

[00:28:41] every

[00:28:42] I would say

[00:28:42] not every page

[00:28:43] but every

[00:28:43] 20 pages

[00:28:45] Mick Rarkhae says

[00:28:46] don't see him as a striker

[00:28:47] don't see him as a striker

[00:28:48] you're like

[00:28:48] we know that

[00:28:49] that is his

[00:28:50] that is his

[00:28:50] good laugh

[00:28:51] and he's

[00:28:53] like Mick Rarkhae

[00:28:54] he's got one of them

[00:28:55] I do

[00:28:55] yeah

[00:28:55] also Gary

[00:28:56] and usually Mick

[00:28:57] with Carthie will say

[00:28:57] after

[00:28:58] Gary Doherty scored

[00:28:59] maybe one or two goals in the game

[00:29:01] so he said his career

[00:29:02] yeah

[00:29:03] it's always like

[00:29:04] in the Patrick Gary

[00:29:05] don't see you as a striker

[00:29:06] no matter

[00:29:06] yeah

[00:29:06] you're definitely

[00:29:07] as a spurs fan

[00:29:08] Dr.

[00:29:09] was where neither

[00:29:09] defender of a striker

[00:29:10] be honest

[00:29:11] so I think

[00:29:12] Mick Rarkhae

[00:29:12] giving him at least one of them

[00:29:13] is quite fine

[00:29:14] and he's certainly not a mid-veh-run

[00:29:18] I was sent into a Wikipedia loop

[00:29:20] on a few occasions in this book

[00:29:21] and Gary Doherty was one of them actually

[00:29:24] but everyone's got to

[00:29:25] like he broke his leg really badly

[00:29:26] and he was never quite the same after it

[00:29:28] so you think even Gary Doherty

[00:29:29] sat at home now going

[00:29:31] you know what

[00:29:32] you know if I had a concert at World Cup

[00:29:33] didn't break my leg

[00:29:34] well

[00:29:35] that's such an interesting

[00:29:36] you say because

[00:29:36] do you remember

[00:29:37] after this World Cup

[00:29:39] Gary Breaume was on the verge of joining

[00:29:40] I think into my land

[00:29:42] but failed

[00:29:43] failed a medical

[00:29:44] because he was on a free transfer

[00:29:45] and which is actually in the book

[00:29:46] he's on a free transfer

[00:29:48] he was playing without insurance

[00:29:50] yeah that was really his best

[00:29:51] this World Cup

[00:29:52] this is the thing

[00:29:53] within this I think

[00:29:54] the diary format is terrible

[00:29:55] and I agree it's really really bad

[00:29:57] but I do think there's a sense

[00:29:58] of immediacy that comes from it

[00:30:00] that means you get these amazingly weird

[00:30:02] snippets like the fact that Gary Breaume

[00:30:04] had no insurance

[00:30:05] and they couldn't

[00:30:06] just comes randomly out of nowhere

[00:30:07] that seems to be because

[00:30:09] in a different book

[00:30:11] one that had a better sense

[00:30:12] of the narrative

[00:30:13] or what Mick Rarkhae was trying

[00:30:15] to actually say

[00:30:16] which probably would be completely

[00:30:17] the whole book would be completely

[00:30:18] dominated by Roy Keane

[00:30:19] if he took a step back

[00:30:20] and said tell me the story of 2002

[00:30:22] the whole world would be colored by it

[00:30:24] I do think that the

[00:30:25] incredibly scattergun

[00:30:27] incredibly repressive stuff

[00:30:28] does mean occasion

[00:30:29] you get

[00:30:30] a really weird

[00:30:31] and interesting fact

[00:30:32] like Gary Breaume

[00:30:32] not having insurance

[00:30:35] yeah just that pops up

[00:30:36] and you're like oh

[00:30:37] that's actually really interesting

[00:30:38] and

[00:30:38] I'm happy I read this book

[00:30:41] at all

[00:30:41] but there's a benefit to it as well

[00:30:45] yeah yeah

[00:30:46] I didn't know where we could be using words

[00:30:47] like immediacy in this book

[00:30:48] oh so scary

[00:30:50] and you say what is it

[00:30:51] what is it John from the France

[00:30:52] and the book review

[00:30:54] we reading this book

[00:30:55] being like getting a lot of

[00:30:56] Jonathan France and vibes

[00:30:57] from this

[00:30:59] another thing the diary

[00:31:00] format does is

[00:31:01] you get these kind of mad sandwiches

[00:31:03] of events

[00:31:04] that kind of happen in one page

[00:31:05] in particular

[00:31:06] one where

[00:31:08] what met McCarthy says

[00:31:09] i'm in Sarajevo on a unicef trip

[00:31:10] to raise awareness

[00:31:11] of the plight of the children

[00:31:12] who've lost limbs in landmine

[00:31:14] when my phone rings repeatedly

[00:31:16] half the world wants to tell me

[00:31:17] that Roy's been stretched off

[00:31:18] playing at May and the Champions League

[00:31:19] Clash of Deputy V Le Corinia

[00:31:20] then he talks about

[00:31:22] Roy's knee

[00:31:23] for a bat of paragraph

[00:31:24] and then back to lab minds

[00:31:25] the visitor Sarajevo

[00:31:26] by the way is a harrowing experience

[00:31:28] it's now seven years

[00:31:29] as the conflict did boss in your end

[00:31:30] but the children are still living

[00:31:31] through the horrors of war

[00:31:32] it's

[00:31:34] you won't get that in any other book

[00:31:36] that also happens

[00:31:37] another time where he's like

[00:31:38] we've had lots of things here

[00:31:39] obviously we couldn't play in this much

[00:31:40] because we were being carp at bomb

[00:31:41] and I didn't want to go and play

[00:31:43] Iran because the war in Afghanistan

[00:31:45] has just begun

[00:31:46] yeah yeah yeah

[00:31:47] but that is like

[00:31:48] that is like a news bulletin

[00:31:49] during the World Cup

[00:31:50] which is

[00:31:50] England have gone through to the quarter

[00:31:52] finals

[00:31:52] also there's a war now starting

[00:31:54] you know

[00:31:55] that is how it's

[00:31:56] you know

[00:31:57] yeah I think this

[00:31:58] this book is also

[00:31:59] the way it structures

[00:32:00] like a metaphor for his reign

[00:32:02] which is very boring

[00:32:04] for a long, long time

[00:32:05] they're exciting for a very little bit

[00:32:06] and then it ends quicker than you thought

[00:32:07] because even

[00:32:08] even the end of the book

[00:32:10] he spends almost no time

[00:32:12] on the sphinct game

[00:32:14] yeah he really does just say

[00:32:16] kind of

[00:32:16] oh and then we had a chance

[00:32:18] but like when they took a benefit

[00:32:19] we need it

[00:32:19] well and you're done

[00:32:20] yeah I mean

[00:32:21] so much like maybe he can't bear to

[00:32:23] think about it

[00:32:24] if you didn't know

[00:32:25] whether

[00:32:26] I'll just want the World Cup

[00:32:27] you'd get a clue by the fact

[00:32:28] there are only five pages to go

[00:32:30] yeah

[00:32:30] yeah

[00:32:30] that's what I think

[00:32:31] yeah

[00:32:32] it is amazing

[00:32:33] oh my god

[00:32:34] imagine getting in and going

[00:32:35] all this is second part

[00:32:36] Jesus

[00:32:37] yeah

[00:32:38] another 400 pages

[00:32:40] yeah it's hard to not

[00:32:41] show what's happening

[00:32:42] when you know the World Cup

[00:32:43] is on date

[00:32:44] sort of 15

[00:32:44] and there's 12 pages there

[00:32:46] yeah

[00:32:46] he's got to

[00:32:47] he's got to rattle through the World Cup party

[00:32:51] we had a

[00:32:51] we had an open top

[00:32:53] tour bus through Dublin

[00:32:54] it was great anyway

[00:32:55] then the open top bus

[00:32:56] is going to have to be a paragraph

[00:32:58] out of this point

[00:32:59] the final is going to be half a page

[00:33:04] yeah

[00:33:05] just one thing I was going to say

[00:33:07] that did everyone else

[00:33:08] notice that he repeatedly

[00:33:09] mentions some saying about pissing in a tent

[00:33:12] yes

[00:33:13] that's the famous thing

[00:33:15] that he

[00:33:16] lbj

[00:33:16] it's a famous

[00:33:17] oh is it

[00:33:18] is it

[00:33:18] a famous lbj too

[00:33:19] quite as well

[00:33:20] sorry

[00:33:20] he said

[00:33:22] he said that

[00:33:22] he said that a lot of

[00:33:23] ebbs

[00:33:24] did he

[00:33:24] did he

[00:33:24] did he

[00:33:25] he was

[00:33:25] always saying

[00:33:26] you either

[00:33:26] you read them

[00:33:27] 10 pison out

[00:33:28] or outside 10 pison

[00:33:29] which isn't true

[00:33:30] you can be outside

[00:33:31] and not piss in

[00:33:32] you can eat it too

[00:33:34] in every

[00:33:35] piece of the tent

[00:33:36] and not pissing

[00:33:39] also

[00:33:39] if you're outside the tent

[00:33:40] you don't have to piss

[00:33:41] into the tent

[00:33:42] you can't

[00:33:43] exactly

[00:33:43] there are other options

[00:33:45] a whole world to piss on

[00:33:46] yeah

[00:33:47] yeah

[00:33:48] which is where the lbj

[00:33:49] quite good

[00:33:49] it's very George Bush

[00:33:50] that isn't it

[00:33:51] it's very very much

[00:33:52] you know

[00:33:53] with us

[00:33:54] or against us

[00:33:55] yeah

[00:33:58] look there's going to be

[00:33:59] piss

[00:34:00] where do you want

[00:34:00] yeah

[00:34:03] that was a famous

[00:34:04] that was a famous mn

[00:34:05] aphryzm

[00:34:06] aphryzm

[00:34:07] yeah

[00:34:07] all just

[00:34:08] yeah

[00:34:08] yeah

[00:34:09] i just remember as well

[00:34:10] we're going to go on a break in a second

[00:34:11] and i'm going to ask you out

[00:34:12] the context

[00:34:13] mn McCarthy's

[00:34:14] but andi

[00:34:14] you've got a story about mn McCarthy

[00:34:16] i remember you telling me

[00:34:17] uh which i think you wanted to raise

[00:34:19] do you want to do now

[00:34:20] happy to do now

[00:34:21] so this is another

[00:34:22] another mn McCarthy aphryzm

[00:34:23] okay

[00:34:24] which is

[00:34:24] whenever he actually probably isn't aphryzm

[00:34:27] whenever we would go and play

[00:34:28] in a difficult way game

[00:34:29] he would say

[00:34:31] if you're off from your point now

[00:34:32] or wouldn't get on the bus

[00:34:33] and he would say that

[00:34:34] about almost every single

[00:34:35] away game

[00:34:36] except the teams in the bottom three

[00:34:38] and he would

[00:34:39] and he would

[00:34:39] and he would very big go to the away game

[00:34:41] and he would line up with four centre backs

[00:34:42] across the back

[00:34:43] and maybe one in midfield

[00:34:44] if he could squeeze one in

[00:34:47] sorry i

[00:34:48] i was going to

[00:34:48] flying to balania

[00:34:49] with my mother

[00:34:50] and i was in a galley airport

[00:34:52] and i see mn McCarthy

[00:34:54] which is

[00:34:54] and i sit there for about 10 minutes

[00:34:56] thinking i can't go up to mn McCarthy

[00:34:58] and i went up to him

[00:34:59] and

[00:35:00] i said hi i said i mean

[00:35:01] it's each van

[00:35:02] he said hi i

[00:35:02] and he was

[00:35:03] honestly lovely

[00:35:04] absolutely lovely

[00:35:05] absolutely lovely

[00:35:06] he said

[00:35:06] your master club

[00:35:07] he deserved to be back in the

[00:35:08] back in premier league

[00:35:09] you know

[00:35:10] really good club

[00:35:11] in top of my time there

[00:35:13] ended a bit badly

[00:35:14] but we're in league one at that point

[00:35:15] or we're about to get ready against the league one

[00:35:17] so he was like wow

[00:35:18] he was

[00:35:18] I think he was able to

[00:35:19] feel a bit

[00:35:20] smug about it

[00:35:20] okay

[00:35:21] anyway i said thank you

[00:35:22] he was going to port school

[00:35:23] where

[00:35:24] where he all spain

[00:35:24] where he owned a house

[00:35:25] who's playing golf

[00:35:26] and of course he was

[00:35:30] and

[00:35:31] and then i said

[00:35:32] hey if they offer you a point

[00:35:33] you wouldn't get on the plane would you

[00:35:34] which i was

[00:35:35] very very proud of

[00:35:38] what do you say

[00:35:39] you got

[00:35:39] eh

[00:35:40] he laughed

[00:35:40] he laughed

[00:35:41] oh my god

[00:35:42] that's good

[00:35:42] i think he does have a bit of a sense of humor

[00:35:44] doesn't he

[00:35:45] he does have a sense of humor

[00:35:46] i'm not sure he comes across in the book totally

[00:35:48] but i didn't know he does

[00:35:50] yeah

[00:35:50] there's

[00:35:51] this is why i was actually excited to read the book

[00:35:53] there's one line in it

[00:35:55] that

[00:35:55] is exactly the

[00:35:56] exactly the sort of humor

[00:35:58] that i

[00:36:00] expected to get from him

[00:36:01] which on page 98

[00:36:02] where he says

[00:36:04] i get a laugh on the press

[00:36:05] when i tell them that Fiona and i

[00:36:07] have been discussing the security situation in teran

[00:36:09] and i've decided that only one of us should go

[00:36:11] so she's flying out on them

[00:36:12] yeah

[00:36:13] yeah

[00:36:13] that's a funny joke

[00:36:14] yeah yeah yeah yeah

[00:36:15] that is a good joke

[00:36:16] that is a good joke

[00:36:17] yeah yeah

[00:36:18] there was a few things like

[00:36:20] there was there's bits where

[00:36:21] it was the old like saying

[00:36:22] like the like the pissing in the tent or

[00:36:24] what he's saying about like um

[00:36:25] it was about as useful as an astray

[00:36:27] and a motorbike

[00:36:27] that kind of thing

[00:36:28] i can imagine

[00:36:29] here saying

[00:36:29] yeah

[00:36:30] i want to more of that

[00:36:31] yeah

[00:36:32] i want to say much more of that

[00:36:33] i think also because

[00:36:34] because the whole thing is in diary form

[00:36:36] like you get a lot of um

[00:36:38] repeated things over and over again

[00:36:40] so he says he's one like line

[00:36:42] about like want to go back to club football

[00:36:44] oh club football that's the asylum

[00:36:45] he must say that about 20 times

[00:36:47] it's just so like

[00:36:48] yeah i think that's

[00:36:49] so

[00:36:50] we're looking after putting a traumatized man

[00:36:51] to be funnier

[00:36:52] no you know what

[00:36:53] and we'll be doing more of that

[00:36:54] after the break

[00:36:57] no before we go

[00:36:58] out of context

[00:36:58] Mick McCarthy please

[00:36:59] does anyone got a line

[00:37:00] that they particularly enjoyed from the look

[00:37:02] it's quite a long one

[00:37:04] but it really made me laugh

[00:37:05] i guess if i can give a tiny bit of context

[00:37:07] is when they're flying to

[00:37:09] japan for the world cup

[00:37:11] and it says

[00:37:11] i'm dying for the guy checking my passport

[00:37:13] to ask me why we're flying to the world cup

[00:37:16] with a Dutch airline

[00:37:17] my ventictus streak wants to have the chance

[00:37:20] to reply because you're not

[00:37:21] but he never asked a question

[00:37:25] so it doesn't

[00:37:26] also it doesn't make any sense

[00:37:27] because they have no more work

[00:37:29] no

[00:37:29] no

[00:37:30] but i believe klem have the back capacity

[00:37:32] to fly two teams

[00:37:33] to

[00:37:35] klem were like

[00:37:36] well i really hope we get this island gig now

[00:37:38] because it

[00:37:39] now that holandot going

[00:37:40] wow we've got a massive back in our

[00:37:42] i was imagining him at the airport

[00:37:44] in the in the old bar one

[00:37:45] just wondering past

[00:37:46] chopping his ticket

[00:37:47] accidentally by a lady's

[00:37:49] by a lady's table

[00:37:50] oops

[00:37:51] let me just get my

[00:37:52] Dutch airline KLM ticket up here

[00:37:55] oh this is just my

[00:37:56] this is just my pass

[00:37:57] when we get to the world cup

[00:37:58] to counter out jacks long one i've got a very small one

[00:38:03] which is uh my back side is about to go into the bacon slicer

[00:38:07] big time

[00:38:07] yeah i love that one so much

[00:38:11] it's really good

[00:38:12] thank you one

[00:38:13] um this was a bit

[00:38:14] this was in the middle

[00:38:15] before the game begins

[00:38:16] stand pool surplays in for a Celtic style huddle

[00:38:18] it's something we planned a few days back

[00:38:20] i want the team to unite

[00:38:21] to play for each other

[00:38:22] like never before

[00:38:24] he gets it together and tells breens is shot up

[00:38:26] because he's shouting

[00:38:28] haha

[00:38:30] comrade

[00:38:31] real comrade building that

[00:38:33] where's a Celtic huddle

[00:38:35] i'd imagine it's pretty similar to a huddle

[00:38:36] but with Celtic people

[00:38:37] yeah

[00:38:39] probably uh

[00:38:41] time now for a break everyone

[00:38:42] but when we return we will be chatting

[00:38:43] mick and the media

[00:38:44] and yes

[00:38:45] get ready for some Roy Kean rage

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[00:42:51] Welcome back to football club, where it is still McCarthy

[00:42:56] versus keen part one.

[00:42:58] And we are still reading Mitt McCarthy's diary,

[00:43:00] islands world cup 2002.

[00:43:03] Jack, anything you want to bring up from this long book?

[00:43:09] It's a real long book.

[00:43:11] I'm fascinated by, I don't know what you guys think about.

[00:43:14] I think actually because Andy knows Mick better

[00:43:17] through his it's switch days.

[00:43:18] But his relationship with the media.

[00:43:20] And his airport.

[00:43:23] I find his attitude towards the media

[00:43:26] fascinating in this book, not just from like a world cup

[00:43:30] the fish bowl everyone like getting at him.

[00:43:32] But almost from the get go there is a kind of

[00:43:37] I want to say like a barely concealed fury

[00:43:40] that seems to be going through the whole time.

[00:43:44] It's sort of amazing in a way that he seems

[00:43:46] to be on the defensive from the get go in everything

[00:43:51] that he does.

[00:43:52] Like when they they have these good results

[00:43:55] and he seems to celebrate these good results,

[00:43:57] they beat Holland and they beat all the other people

[00:43:59] and he's always sort of saying like

[00:44:00] and then we have to go to the press conference

[00:44:02] and let me tell you all the media let me have it.

[00:44:05] Oh my God, I just couldn't get through one single question

[00:44:09] with this media before they get on my back.

[00:44:11] But a lot of the times the questions

[00:44:12] are all the things they're saying.

[00:44:14] A very normal questions.

[00:44:16] Yeah.

[00:44:16] There's one where they just off the beaten Holland I think,

[00:44:21] they beat them 1-0 and they say happy with that Mick

[00:44:24] and he goes here we bloody go.

[00:44:25] LAUGHTER

[00:44:29] Like what do I say?

[00:44:31] See I don't want there to be more pages to this book

[00:44:35] but I feel like there is a lot as obviously happened

[00:44:37] before 2000 because makes been in charge since 96

[00:44:40] I think that's the point.

[00:44:42] So there is obviously a lot of tension that's built up

[00:44:45] over the years before.

[00:44:46] I mean the book could be 700 pages long

[00:44:49] where it's starting, you're in 96 playoff or wherever it is

[00:44:53] But I will say that when it started and you know

[00:44:55] it's a diary format and it starts with the words 1999

[00:44:58] I was like oh fuck.

[00:44:59] It's 1999!

[00:45:01] Oh it's a week ago.

[00:45:02] It starts in 1999.

[00:45:04] It starts with the last minute defeat at...

[00:45:06] Or the only rise in Macedonia.

[00:45:08] I started reading this book.

[00:45:09] There's no lie. I started reading this book in May

[00:45:12] and I finished it in December.

[00:45:14] This is the end.

[00:45:15] I'm usually really quick and I used to do it in one in one go.

[00:45:17] I set this book aside to read on holiday when I was in Italy.

[00:45:20] I was on a three hour train.

[00:45:22] I was like, I'll probably get through most of the book

[00:45:24] probably through that.

[00:45:25] I got through 25 pages.

[00:45:26] So slow to read.

[00:45:27] I just go into no rhythm whatsoever

[00:45:29] and then I couldn't look at it for seven months

[00:45:32] until we said where are we going to record the episode

[00:45:34] and then I forced myself on boxing day

[00:45:37] to read the whole thing.

[00:45:38] I'm boxing day.

[00:45:39] Oh fuck you know.

[00:45:40] Wow.

[00:45:41] What a boxing day that was.

[00:45:43] The match is going on the background.

[00:45:45] Yeah.

[00:45:46] Red all.

[00:45:47] As a man who's just been to a Buddhist sound bar

[00:45:51] and stormed out really feary, I have to say

[00:45:53] I can't really...

[00:45:56] I can't be too critical of me.

[00:45:58] I think I would be on the defensive constantly.

[00:46:01] I do think...

[00:46:02] But I do think he's not helpful.

[00:46:05] It certainly doesn't help.

[00:46:06] I just think because Jack Charlton started

[00:46:10] if you were grandfathering people into the Irish team

[00:46:13] and I've never known how that was regarded in Ireland really

[00:46:17] but my suspicion is he was always regarded as plastic Irish.

[00:46:21] Yeah.

[00:46:22] I actually don't think that is the case.

[00:46:23] However, you will find out that Roy Keane

[00:46:26] unsurprisingly has differing opinions next week.

[00:46:30] But yeah, I think he was...

[00:46:31] But Jack's okay but surely is Mick not seen

[00:46:36] as a bit of a...

[00:46:37] I think Mick's also seen a lot.

[00:46:38] It's a lope.

[00:46:39] Mick at least has...

[00:46:40] I don't think Jack has got any connections to Ireland

[00:46:42] right apart from managing them

[00:46:43] whereas Mick at least is the son of an Irishman

[00:46:47] and Captain the...

[00:46:49] Yeah, he's dad's Irish.

[00:46:50] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:46:51] It doesn't help that he's just got such a strong York accent.

[00:46:55] Yeah exactly.

[00:46:56] It's so strong.

[00:46:57] Just have a go at the accent Mick.

[00:46:59] Go on!

[00:47:00] I want to agree with that.

[00:47:01] Also just to go back about three minutes.

[00:47:02] Thank you for dropping in the Buddhist sound bath

[00:47:05] and giving a listen so much credit

[00:47:07] you didn't even need to explain what that is

[00:47:08] or why it'd be a surprise that you were there.

[00:47:10] So that was it.

[00:47:11] You basically give someone 25 grit

[00:47:13] and you lie on the floor with a blanket over you

[00:47:15] and a woman bangs a gong for an hour.

[00:47:18] And I just thought, I give it a go.

[00:47:21] And honestly just absolutely furious.

[00:47:22] I was about as a relaxer as a fighter pilot.

[00:47:25] I was absolutely honest the whole time.

[00:47:27] It's like 15 people in a room in close proximity.

[00:47:29] I'm hot and sweating.

[00:47:30] People snoring and furious

[00:47:32] that I can't relax as well as they are.

[00:47:34] And I'm thinking why have they gone in there?

[00:47:35] I said, oh what do you want to do?

[00:47:36] Why shouldn't I be a relaxer?

[00:47:37] Why the wait?

[00:47:38] And it was 15 minutes in.

[00:47:40] And I thought, Joe, what?

[00:47:41] I've got, I can't sit for 45 more minutes.

[00:47:44] I have to leave.

[00:47:46] And so I just like tiptoed a red one sleeping on it.

[00:47:52] I went to the incredibly squeaky door.

[00:47:54] And I don't ee-e-e-e.

[00:47:56] And the Foley door.

[00:47:57] I also like the idea of storming out on tiptoes.

[00:47:59] That's an image.

[00:48:01] Yeah that's an image.

[00:48:02] That's an image.

[00:48:02] And the other one, this book wound you up so much

[00:48:04] you had to go to like go to a Buddhist sound bar.

[00:48:07] I'm trying to get the stress out.

[00:48:10] Yeah.

[00:48:11] I mean I know we, I agree.

[00:48:13] I think I would be in a similar place if I was Mick.

[00:48:17] But it's the fact that the media,

[00:48:19] I don't think in the suggestions,

[00:48:21] in the times when he gets so annoyed,

[00:48:23] there are a lot of the things they say aren't that bad at all.

[00:48:26] And actually a lot of them have been said by other people

[00:48:28] and he's kind of gone, yeah I agree.

[00:48:30] Like there's a bit where they're talking about Spain

[00:48:32] and they build up to Spain.

[00:48:34] They watch Spain play against,

[00:48:36] I can't remember who they play against.

[00:48:37] They do very, it's Africa and they do really, really well.

[00:48:39] And Matty Holland's like, oh that good aren't they?

[00:48:41] And Mick McCarty's like you're right Matty,

[00:48:43] they are very, very good.

[00:48:45] They're a good footballing team.

[00:48:46] And then in the press conference,

[00:48:50] someone says basically something along the lines of,

[00:48:53] Spain is good aren't they?

[00:48:54] And Mick McCarty's like, you fucking prick.

[00:48:56] Yeah.

[00:48:57] How fucking dare you?

[00:49:00] Ask a question like how are we gonna stop Spain?

[00:49:03] How are they gonna stop us?

[00:49:04] I'm gonna fuck up.

[00:49:05] And then next day, the Spanish coach is like,

[00:49:11] oh Islander Goodon he's like that's really nice of him.

[00:49:13] That's just, he just,

[00:49:18] I think I would go mad.

[00:49:20] I think I would go mad before I became Island manager

[00:49:24] and before the Royal King stuff

[00:49:25] and before also that whole tension of,

[00:49:29] the weirdest thing about this whole media thing

[00:49:31] is that they're in Japan talking to the media.

[00:49:35] When they go to sleep, Roy Keane is working his PR magic

[00:49:39] like a sort of Rumpel Stiltskin style elf

[00:49:43] to attack the team when they wake up.

[00:49:47] So he's in a uniquely weird and bad position with the media.

[00:49:52] But he seems to have tied himself up in knots.

[00:49:55] Like he goes on a weird rant about

[00:49:57] when they after they beaten Estonia,

[00:49:59] he goes on a weird rant where they're like happy with you know

[00:50:01] five points after two games and he's like,

[00:50:04] yes I tell you why.

[00:50:05] I am happy with that.

[00:50:06] And I tell you what else,

[00:50:06] I'm happy that I haven't put up with any of your bullshit

[00:50:10] for another two months.

[00:50:11] Let me explain.

[00:50:12] And then just goes into this like long rant where he's like,

[00:50:14] I'm here I am.

[00:50:15] It's Christmas.

[00:50:16] I'm at the top of the world cup tree and I'm laughing.

[00:50:18] I'm laughing.

[00:50:20] Just a bunch of people.

[00:50:21] I do wonder whether how much of what happened later on

[00:50:24] whether he was retrospectively angry when he wrote the book.

[00:50:28] Yes, I bet it's also why don't I don't know because again,

[00:50:32] I just can't.

[00:50:33] It goes back to the biggest question

[00:50:35] on how about this book and just when is it written?

[00:50:38] And I just can't imagine a he'd have the time.

[00:50:41] And also that he like there's just so much stuff

[00:50:44] that you would say differently.

[00:50:46] I just find there's a lot of weird things

[00:50:48] that he says that are then going to be disproven very quickly.

[00:50:52] It's a bit where he says like Robbie Keane goes to Italy at one point.

[00:50:56] He says something on the line.

[00:50:57] So he's going to have an amazing career and he's going to do so.

[00:51:00] But by the next time he is like, well,

[00:51:02] it's a robby's a kid to a struggle at least.

[00:51:06] It's just it's stuff like that way.

[00:51:07] Like maybe I maybe I cut that bit like it feels it feels because it's so raw.

[00:51:12] I don't know if he has gone back, but I do.

[00:51:14] I appreciate it could it can easily be it neither of it makes sense

[00:51:19] because in a way, I can't understand why this book would exist.

[00:51:23] If you didn't know island were going to do relatively well at the world cup.

[00:51:27] So why would make the car through me buddy?

[00:51:29] Would be bothered writing all these things down

[00:51:32] unless he's just keeping a diary.

[00:51:33] But if he keeps a diary way, he says,

[00:51:35] fucking media like I would be very upset for him.

[00:51:38] So I don't know.

[00:51:39] I don't know what the answer is.

[00:51:40] I'd be interested to know next time you see him in an airport.

[00:51:46] Please tell me.

[00:51:47] Yeah.

[00:51:47] Don't go.

[00:51:48] Don't go.

[00:51:49] And say like Andy Watson stuff at Gazette here.

[00:51:52] Yeah, because that one get off and good start.

[00:51:54] I wanted to mention one other thing about the slight banality of this book

[00:51:58] when it when it shouldn't have been because it is a PR release.

[00:52:02] And there's one there's one thing here which is absolutely extraordinary

[00:52:05] which is

[00:52:08] he's even made up chance at the Irish team.

[00:52:11] He heard the Irish team sing while they're out there and he sanitized them.

[00:52:15] I believe he's sanitizing because these are not football shots.

[00:52:18] Right?

[00:52:18] And if you if you were a criminal prosecutor,

[00:52:20] you would point to this and say,

[00:52:22] well clearly this is the better character because you're a liar.

[00:52:24] So I can't believe anything you said because he says

[00:52:28] the area is buzzing with anticipation now.

[00:52:30] You can hear the chance.

[00:52:32] And now he lists the chance.

[00:52:33] He said he could hear from the Irish fans.

[00:52:35] Get stuck into them.

[00:52:36] Give it a go Lads.

[00:52:38] We did a bus stop all to Gal here and then lie down.

[00:52:42] And my favorite this is it.

[00:52:44] This is the world cup.

[00:52:47] As chops three out of four of those are like a pez chance.

[00:52:52] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:52:53] That's how you think you would see on a big banner.

[00:52:56] A big banner.

[00:52:57] You'd be like, this is it.

[00:52:58] This is the world cup.

[00:53:00] I know, I know.

[00:53:01] But we've all we've all heard that ringing out from the terrorists.

[00:53:04] Yeah, yeah.

[00:53:04] This is the world.

[00:53:07] But like that didn't happen.

[00:53:08] Like those charts didn't happen.

[00:53:09] They were saying other things.

[00:53:10] Why didn't he say the other things they were saying which was presumably

[00:53:14] a little bit more.

[00:53:16] I don't know what he does.

[00:53:17] He does also say that he couldn't bear to like listen to the fans.

[00:53:22] Yes, because he was so afraid of what or what they would say about him and how he

[00:53:27] would be like that he wouldn't be welcomed into their sink them.

[00:53:29] So maybe he's just like in the absence of being able to remember any of the actual

[00:53:34] swearing chance.

[00:53:35] Maybe he's just gone for like the most penalty you can think of where he's like,

[00:53:39] come on.

[00:53:39] This is the world cup, I suppose.

[00:53:41] Yeah.

[00:53:42] He just he just he was so he was so alone out there.

[00:53:45] He just so alone, but he does give us the world's worst ever secret as well.

[00:53:51] Just just finish off one thing with the media where he says I'm asked why expect

[00:53:56] from the World Cup finals what we'll aim to achieve in Japan and hopefully career.

[00:54:00] And I let the world in on a little secret.

[00:54:02] We're going to do everything we can to win the World Cup.

[00:54:05] Fine.

[00:54:12] Let's move on to the thing we all want to talk about.

[00:54:14] The thing we've all been waiting for Mr Roy Keen, we finally get to the World Cup

[00:54:19] and this is when it all really, really, really kicks off.

[00:54:23] However, I think it'll been brewing for a long time.

[00:54:27] Isn't that right Andy?

[00:54:28] He what what he glances over which is something that would have been used in

[00:54:32] Dory format, which is something that happened.

[00:54:35] If I was writing his book, I would have started this as a flashback to 1990.

[00:54:41] Oh god.

[00:54:41] To your boss.

[00:54:42] 1990.

[00:54:43] Yeah, Boston.

[00:54:44] Yeah, 1992.

[00:54:45] That's the US.

[00:54:46] The US Cup is the US Cup.

[00:54:47] Yeah, it was nice to be.

[00:54:50] So there's a few versions of this story going around as Mick acknowledges,

[00:54:54] but I'll go with the Null Queen version because it's brilliant, which is

[00:54:58] that the Null Queen and someone else and Roy Keen have been on the piss

[00:55:03] and then is a late game to the bus and get on the bus sort of hung over.

[00:55:07] Mick McCarthy's captain stounds up and says, you all you all disgrace.

[00:55:12] You're an absolute disgrace.

[00:55:14] You know, this is not a baby on Intel's duty and he says to Roy Keen,

[00:55:17] you first trip out there was an international disgrace.

[00:55:21] And Roy Keen says you first touch disgrace.

[00:55:25] That's that's an awkward sense.

[00:55:27] The whole bus erupts in laughter because that is an incredible one of the great

[00:55:32] combat.

[00:55:33] It's a great line.

[00:55:33] Um, great line.

[00:55:34] Mick, Mick refuses to count on its where it says you can't remember whether

[00:55:38] that's what Roy Keen said.

[00:55:40] But I don't think that's where the argument started, but I think it's,

[00:55:43] it's assigned that Roy Keen just does not rate this guy as a player and

[00:55:49] and spoiler.

[00:55:50] It's almost like he wasn't best player of the city.

[00:55:52] Banzi players season three times.

[00:55:54] It's almost like Roy Keen is completely.

[00:55:57] But yeah, but yeah, that story comes up in Roy's book, a little spoiler.

[00:56:01] That does come up in there.

[00:56:03] Right.

[00:56:04] Does he say he said that?

[00:56:05] Doesn't say the first touch line.

[00:56:06] Don't think I think what Roy Keen says, basically, is like, fuck off.

[00:56:11] Is I think what he writes his book which is nice.

[00:56:13] But it's him saying fuck off to people.

[00:56:15] So it can't wait to read this one.

[00:56:17] It's a good, it's a good book in midway.

[00:56:19] But yeah, let's, let's, so that's, that's a very good thing to mention because

[00:56:23] that is the, that is definitely like the genesis of the Roy Keen,

[00:56:27] Mick, Kathy, feud.

[00:56:28] But I think after, I think it's now useful to do a bit of a blow by blow

[00:56:32] account of what happened there after.

[00:56:35] So before in the book, he does kind of talk about Roy Keen in a positive light

[00:56:42] as far as I'm aware.

[00:56:43] He talks about him a lot of the qualifiers like is a game in one of them.

[00:56:46] He's like the, I think Cyprus is the most dominant performer.

[00:56:48] He's never seen it in stash on level.

[00:56:50] He's really buttering keen up.

[00:56:51] It's really weird because you know, you know how it ends.

[00:56:55] So you know what the end point is sort of like if they made a version of Titanic

[00:57:00] where every five seconds the captain turned to the camera and went, I love icebergs.

[00:57:08] I think they're great.

[00:57:09] Look, we don't get on personally obviously we don't get on personally,

[00:57:12] but conceptually, I think they're incredible.

[00:57:15] It is such a weird decision as a result.

[00:57:17] You're like just maybe take those bits out, maybe change them.

[00:57:20] Yeah, that's about to happen.

[00:57:21] Yeah, that is a good point.

[00:57:23] And that is, I'm glad you agree because I wasn't sure if it was just me saying

[00:57:28] that he is very, very, like, there are only a couple of,

[00:57:33] and also there are other bits where it's like the, he says, oh, the media yet again trying

[00:57:37] to build up a riff between me and King.

[00:57:39] Like, oh, it's war between Keen and McCarthy.

[00:57:41] And it is weird because again, you're like, if you were writing this, I just can't

[00:57:45] imagine you writing those words after or in August 2002 because it would be too painful

[00:57:51] to write, to remember a time when you found the idea of a riff between you and Roy Keen

[00:57:55] laughable.

[00:57:56] It just, it's interesting in that sense.

[00:57:59] I think unless he's churned because he tries to paint himself as being

[00:58:02] absolutely blindsided.

[00:58:03] So basically, should we do a brief rubb of what Mick says happened?

[00:58:07] So the reason this kicks off, which Jack did mention earlier,

[00:58:11] because they've gone to Cipans that is called the yet the basically gone to

[00:58:17] and a bunch of things haven't turned up in the post and in the post.

[00:58:21] But like, equipment hasn't turned up and things like that, including Lucas

[00:58:26] Aid, which is a really key thing in this book that they don't have the Lucas Aid

[00:58:30] away through it.

[00:58:30] But none of these things have turned up and the pitch is really hard and Keen's

[00:58:35] annoyed about that.

[00:58:36] But you know, it's kind of he's kind of getting on with it as things goes.

[00:58:41] Then as Jack mentions, Roy Keen does this kind of tell all interview where he

[00:58:45] slags off the whole organization of even before that, like two days before

[00:58:51] that, he tells Mick McCarthy, I want to go home.

[00:58:54] Oh, yes, yeah, you're right.

[00:58:55] Of course, I forgot the way you do happen.

[00:58:57] Yes, you're right.

[00:58:58] Yeah, you're right.

[00:58:58] You're right.

[00:58:59] This is what's so weird about that.

[00:59:00] I mean, the whole thing is bananas.

[00:59:02] Like they have this hard pitch.

[00:59:03] They have the Lucas Aid.

[00:59:04] They are qualified for the World Cup.

[00:59:06] You know, this is amazing.

[00:59:06] They qualify for the World Cup.

[00:59:07] They're doing so well and then Roy Keen just says like, I want to go home.

[00:59:11] Yeah.

[00:59:11] And and Mick McCarthy is well, as you say, Andy, he claims to be blindsided.

[00:59:17] I think he is blindsided.

[00:59:18] Do you not think he's blindsided?

[00:59:19] I know.

[00:59:19] I think he is blindsided, but I think that's why he's that's why he he's very careful to

[00:59:25] say there's no risk because I think he wants to.

[00:59:27] I think he.

[00:59:29] Yeah, he don't say that.

[00:59:30] Yeah, that's yeah, potentially.

[00:59:32] Yeah, that's true.

[00:59:33] But yeah, he's it's still it's still adds to a sort of a weird sense of the whole thing

[00:59:38] because I was I like you guys.

[00:59:41] I read the first hundred pages very, very slowly.

[00:59:43] But then I hit once I got to Sipa and I was like, OK, I'll read this a bit longer.

[00:59:47] I thought to like half one reading the Sipa.

[00:59:50] It is legitimately really compelling because the bit where he's like, OK,

[00:59:56] I have to call my best player wants to leave the world cup.

[01:00:00] I have to call Colin Healy.

[01:00:01] What am I doing?

[01:00:01] I can't get through to Colin Healy.

[01:00:03] What is happening right now?

[01:00:04] It's genuinely like you feel like you're falling down a flight of stairs.

[01:00:08] It's brilliant.

[01:00:09] But that so Roy says he wants to leave.

[01:00:11] Mick says, OK, I think this is something like sleep, like sleep on it.

[01:00:15] Yeah.

[01:00:16] And then they ask him the next day, and he's changed his mind.

[01:00:18] Yeah.

[01:00:19] And then Mick says, are you definitely sure because I can't have you backing out?

[01:00:22] And then Roy changes by again, I think a no way to be annoyed to commit to suggest

[01:00:27] he might change by what a pull up the world cup despite how he's just done that.

[01:00:30] Yeah.

[01:00:31] And then I think it goes back and forth.

[01:00:34] And then he goes there's still there's still an idea that they could be a date on

[01:00:39] and he will come back.

[01:00:41] Well, yeah, but then then he has that this is again, what's so confusing.

[01:00:44] He says like I'm staying.

[01:00:45] It's great.

[01:00:46] Then they have like a meeting with journalists and that's where he does a horrible interview

[01:00:50] with the people in the paper that way.

[01:00:54] Yeah, really sneakily as well.

[01:00:56] It's really actually you don't think of you think of Roy.

[01:00:58] He says things like things he was facing.

[01:00:59] But it's quite sneaky how he walks off and then does it with the media and then

[01:01:04] yeah, just especially because it becomes so explosive afterwards.

[01:01:08] And he doesn't mind saying things to be was places after that.

[01:01:10] But at that point, it really is little rassy behavior.

[01:01:13] I know.

[01:01:14] Let me take that off the record.

[01:01:15] I want to call Roy Keen of rap.

[01:01:16] No, I'm going to have a lot of rap.

[01:01:19] You're a little rap sneak.

[01:01:20] I think you've got severe emotional problems.

[01:01:22] I can.

[01:01:23] I can.

[01:01:24] I think there might be something in that because like the way he says it's not

[01:01:28] waiting in his book Jack next week.

[01:01:29] So yeah, it's not like either way he's like because when he says to meet McCarthy

[01:01:35] originally, I want to go.

[01:01:37] Mitt McCarthy is like, okay, is it me?

[01:01:39] Is it the team?

[01:01:40] Is it the fact that we didn't have the, you know, is the grounds really hard?

[01:01:43] Is he looking for excuses or not?

[01:01:45] Excuses looking for reasons that he can change things.

[01:01:47] And Roy keeps on saying, no, it's personal.

[01:01:51] I can't go into it.

[01:01:52] It's personal.

[01:01:53] And then obviously when he talks to these journalists, it's not that it's

[01:01:57] everything he listed.

[01:01:58] Everything he listed and it's nothing to do with me.

[01:02:00] It's all to do with the players and the fact that the Irish F.A.

[01:02:05] don't back them.

[01:02:06] And yeah, he's horrible.

[01:02:08] And compared to May and I said that everything is so unprofessional the way it seems.

[01:02:13] He doesn't like coming there and he feels it's below him basically the way it works.

[01:02:16] Yeah.

[01:02:17] And then, and then, and then he tries, then Mitt McCarthy calls Colin Healy up as a

[01:02:21] replacement.

[01:02:22] But then, but then that goes wrong because at the time of which he called Mitt

[01:02:25] McCollin Healy up, Roy then might come back so they don't.

[01:02:31] They miss the deadline.

[01:02:32] They have to submit Roy Keat.

[01:02:33] Yeah, they miss a deadline to swap out Roy Keat before he gets.

[01:02:37] And so Colin Healy and the miss it out of the workup.

[01:02:40] I never man light.

[01:02:41] And then, and then basically it's, they're trying to, they're still trying

[01:02:46] to get him back to the world.

[01:02:47] Still trying to get back to the World Cup.

[01:02:48] And everyone is saying do you want to come back to the World Cup?

[01:02:50] Do you want to come back to the World Cup?

[01:02:51] He's going to have to apologize.

[01:02:52] He's going to have to apologize.

[01:02:53] He's going to have to phone me up and apologize.

[01:02:55] And it does feel like he could have come back in the World Cup right up until

[01:02:58] probably the first game.

[01:02:59] Yeah.

[01:03:00] I would say if he'd absolutely were at.

[01:03:02] But I think we're missing out one bit, which is the bit which really annoyed Roy Keat

[01:03:06] was after Roy Keat gives that interview about the things.

[01:03:11] Mick goes and confronts Mick basically calls a team meeting

[01:03:15] and in front of everyone else taught calls Roy out about that.

[01:03:18] That's the same thing.

[01:03:19] You should have done it.

[01:03:20] You should have done it one to one.

[01:03:21] But I think that's a big bit.

[01:03:23] He didn't do the interview on to one.

[01:03:25] Like he didn't go to Mick and go to the baby.

[01:03:26] But this is the biggest bit.

[01:03:27] This is when Roy goes absolutely unhidged as mixer.

[01:03:31] This is when he's calling everyone.

[01:03:33] Well, actually unlike Andy Wadden this podcast, Mick McCarthy refuses to put swear words in the book.

[01:03:39] But he does say he just say he says

[01:03:43] he's fuming now in the room.

[01:03:44] Stunned no one can get a word in as he rants on for eight minutes.

[01:03:47] I'm every explain to him from C to W.

[01:03:49] I was a crap player.

[01:03:50] I'm a crap manager.

[01:03:51] I'm a crap coach.

[01:03:51] I can't organize training.

[01:03:53] I can't make decision.

[01:03:53] I can't get a side play as heads.

[01:03:55] I can't manage people even though I've been managing him with kids for six years now.

[01:03:58] I'm an FNC word and FNW word.

[01:04:01] He has no respect for me at all.

[01:04:02] As a manager or a player, he only has respect for Sarah Alex Ferguson.

[01:04:05] He bizarrely claims I don't want him in the squad.

[01:04:07] And then this goes on for he doesn't just shove the World Cup up my FNRs.

[01:04:14] This continues for three or four pages.

[01:04:17] This comes up and that.

[01:04:17] This is when I don't want to

[01:04:22] sorry the book next week.

[01:04:24] But I do come down on Mick McCarthy's side here because I do believe that he probably is telling the truth.

[01:04:29] Well, I can totally picture Roy Keane.

[01:04:32] Like losing his hands in this moment.

[01:04:34] Yeah, also because there are literally fifth by definition there are sort of 22 witnesses.

[01:04:40] I don't want this man back.

[01:04:42] It's not as if Mick McCarthy has said like,

[01:04:46] this is what the story is guys.

[01:04:48] Like I think this I'm pretty sure this happened and I just

[01:04:52] Clinton Morrison tells a story about being in that room at that time.

[01:04:54] I think it was a little bit more.

[01:04:56] I totally believe.

[01:04:57] Yeah, I know.

[01:04:57] I know.

[01:04:58] And and and Clinton Morrison says at one point Roy Keane says you're not even like proper Irish

[01:05:03] and Clint was like, and I fucking got my head down on that point.

[01:05:07] So he's like, he's like the boy.

[01:05:10] That boy you're like goodbye.

[01:05:12] I mean, I think that there's something like Mick isn't a saint in this book at all.

[01:05:19] But that bit is just the bit where he

[01:05:22] where Mick is listing all the things that Roy is saying about him.

[01:05:26] And he says later on like, imagine the best midfielder in the world.

[01:05:30] Your player saying those things to you on the evil world cup and it is like

[01:05:34] like the stomach just goes out of you.

[01:05:37] It's horrible.

[01:05:38] It's like it's so upsetting.

[01:05:40] Even if you don't think that we talk McCarthy is that good with tactics

[01:05:42] and that good like getting into players heads.

[01:05:45] It's just an awful thing to have to put up with.

[01:05:48] And obviously he can't come back.

[01:05:49] Like I just

[01:05:51] and I think by this point, the Lucas A's already turned up as well.

[01:05:53] What's the problem?

[01:05:54] Yeah.

[01:05:54] Yeah.

[01:05:55] Let's go.

[01:05:57] I would say at that point there's no defense of that, but I think in retrospect Mick

[01:06:01] I think had Mick possibly gone to Roy's bedroom and said

[01:06:07] and it privately possibly is a way about that.

[01:06:09] But then I do think I do think Roy just wanted to leave.

[01:06:12] And I do just think I think I don't think if he'd have come to

[01:06:15] because bedroom Roy would have gone off airplay.

[01:06:17] I respect you coming man to man.

[01:06:18] I think he would have found another reason.

[01:06:19] I agree with that.

[01:06:20] So overall we're saying we're going coming down on the side of Mick McCarthy.

[01:06:26] Do we think for now until until next episode at least Jack?

[01:06:30] I think I can only come down on the side of it McCarthy.

[01:06:33] Yeah.

[01:06:33] Anyone who uses words like C star, star, star to their manager, I can't,

[01:06:38] I can't abide.

[01:06:39] Cloud.

[01:06:40] I can't believe it.

[01:06:42] But I do, I mean, I think that the underdog thing is right.

[01:06:45] And I do think that I just there's no situation in which I think

[01:06:50] that I can't see.

[01:06:53] Roy Keane's actions is justifiable.

[01:06:55] Yeah, you could say like, oh, Mick McCarthy could have done more to stop it.

[01:06:59] And like, oh, he's a good enough player that means that you should try harder

[01:07:03] to bring him there.

[01:07:04] But I just there's no way I could say like mix, mix made some mistakes,

[01:07:09] but Roy's clearly in the wrong.

[01:07:11] Yeah, yeah, I agree.

[01:07:12] I agree.

[01:07:13] And Andy your simulation.

[01:07:15] I think Mick has made some mistakes,

[01:07:18] but I don't think the mistakes he's made are the mistakes that Roy Keane criticised him for.

[01:07:22] Yeah, absolutely.

[01:07:23] For the preparations.

[01:07:25] Yeah, which seemed to me to be fine.

[01:07:27] But there is stuff that he does deserve criticism for.

[01:07:30] For example, they get drunk between games,

[01:07:33] the World Cup, which is honestly wild.

[01:07:36] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:07:37] It's 2002.

[01:07:38] Venge has been an arse for six years.

[01:07:40] It's mad.

[01:07:41] It is very mad.

[01:07:43] It's very strange.

[01:07:44] And then he says, some proponents of the modern game will found alcohol in taking middle of a World Cup.

[01:07:48] Some will slam its tradition.

[01:07:49] It's a relic of a bygone age.

[01:07:51] Robbish.

[01:07:51] We don't place out until Tuesday.

[01:07:57] The monks did this.

[01:07:58] And this is my last episode.

[01:08:00] I know.

[01:08:01] And the sports and the sports psychology.

[01:08:04] I love the sports psychology.

[01:08:06] Taff has stuck a big smiley face on the message board and written no regrets in capitals.

[01:08:10] Yeah.

[01:08:12] Yeah.

[01:08:13] So like there's stuff like that you think if I was what I'd be, I would be this is annoying.

[01:08:18] I would be.

[01:08:18] But that never seems to be the thing he does criticizing.

[01:08:21] No, no, no.

[01:08:22] And the lack of taxes.

[01:08:23] He seems criticizing because the pitch was hard or come on.

[01:08:26] It's the far east.

[01:08:28] Yeah, it's not been read.

[01:08:29] There's not much you can do like yeah, just because yeah.

[01:08:32] Yeah, it was looking for excuses.

[01:08:34] I agree.

[01:08:36] I agree.

[01:08:36] And overall, did we enjoy the book?

[01:08:39] Andy, you liked it?

[01:08:41] I enjoyed the first two thirds of the book, two out of ten.

[01:08:47] I enjoyed the last of the book eight out of 10.

[01:08:49] So I think it averaged out of five out of 10.

[01:08:51] Okay.

[01:08:52] That's fair enough.

[01:08:53] I'm actually just because I agree.

[01:08:55] I really didn't enjoy the beginning at all.

[01:08:59] But I did like the end of the lot.

[01:09:01] So similarly, I want to have for six.

[01:09:03] I want to have for six actually.

[01:09:04] I think Jack.

[01:09:05] I only go for six as well.

[01:09:06] And because again, I didn't like the, didn't like the start, but actually

[01:09:11] once you got to the end, I was sort of like I understand why you had to do that at the start

[01:09:15] because you have to, you have to stick your flag down somewhere and say,

[01:09:19] remember what we achieved.

[01:09:21] And therefore I can respect that.

[01:09:23] And also when we've got a soft spot for Mick, I think that which makes you want to enjoy it, right?

[01:09:28] So you've got five point six.

[01:09:30] That's pretty good.

[01:09:31] That's pretty good.

[01:09:32] It's right.

[01:09:32] Five point six six.

[01:09:33] That's for this.

[01:09:35] If you offered that before he before he got on the, he got on the bus.

[01:09:38] That's fine.

[01:09:39] If you offered in that before he picked up the pen, he wouldn't even write the book.

[01:09:44] The key question actually was it better than Jonathan Franzon's book?

[01:09:48] Yeah.

[01:09:49] Oh, it ships all over France and there was almost nothing about this.

[01:09:53] You've done two work up in France and I mean, I was like with five pages from the end

[01:09:57] and he's not even touched on this.

[01:10:01] Kevin killed that.

[01:10:01] Thanks for the final three pages.

[01:10:03] He goes into real depth about.

[01:10:05] Yeah.

[01:10:07] He didn't think Gary Dottie was a striker either.

[01:10:10] Time for this week's quiz on the quiz you are named after other missing items that

[01:10:14] belatedly turned up to Ireland's training camp and you're a training bib and jack your

[01:10:19] Nivea suncream.

[01:10:21] There we go.

[01:10:21] So shout out your name if you think you know the answer to the question.

[01:10:25] Question number one, which member of the island squad

[01:10:28] organizes who wants to do a millionaire style quizzes on away trips?

[01:10:32] Oh no.

[01:10:34] Training bib.

[01:10:35] Yeah.

[01:10:37] I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to take a punt at Narquin.

[01:10:40] No, I'm for unlucky and lucky.

[01:10:43] Only 22 others to rule out.

[01:10:46] Yeah, do I lose a point because I don't the this floor of this quiz because I can't just say training

[01:10:50] be 21 other times.

[01:10:51] You could try.

[01:10:53] Go for it.

[01:10:54] Keep going.

[01:10:55] Nivea suncream.

[01:10:56] Yep.

[01:10:57] Stauntin?

[01:10:58] Nope.

[01:10:59] Anyone else?

[01:11:00] I've got guests.

[01:11:00] I'll give you lots of trade on off.

[01:11:02] Training bib.

[01:11:04] Training bib.

[01:11:05] Training bib Gary Breach.

[01:11:07] No, correct.

[01:11:09] Jailer one maybe a suncream in heart.

[01:11:11] I don't think this is gold content.

[01:11:12] We just missed out the

[01:11:14] I know it's my first podcast but I can't give you a point of getting in the whole team.

[01:11:18] No, it's it's Kenny Cunningham is the answer.

[01:11:20] Oh, that's well, that's like that's very much in the Gary Breen umbrella.

[01:11:24] Yeah, I agree.

[01:11:25] Number two player from Ireland.

[01:11:26] Yeah.

[01:11:28] Number two, which Ireland player to the rest of the team trick into thinking

[01:11:31] come and Ogan Elmock, first son of left message.

[01:11:34] Oh, oh, oh,

[01:11:35] Nivea Kroger, Nivea suncream down training.

[01:11:37] They're getting a verse because Jack's out.

[01:11:38] Out before.

[01:11:40] Yep.

[01:11:42] Who get you?

[01:11:43] Jason Mac, Jason Mac to is correct our old friend Jason Mac to question number three.

[01:11:49] I could either I did you know I that led me to Google whether they

[01:11:52] they were in a relationship him in climbing.

[01:11:54] Oh,

[01:11:55] because I thought it was like a play on the player Jason Mac.

[01:11:58] Here like

[01:11:59] because footballers, you know, I thought maybe that was the real Kylie and Jason all along.

[01:12:04] Yeah, yeah.

[01:12:08] Yeah, he also came in to an advert.

[01:12:10] Jason Mac, it was in over and over again, which

[01:12:12] yeah, like the funniest thing in the world.

[01:12:14] I don't know what this is.

[01:12:16] And also when he gets it very quickly when he gets injured,

[01:12:19] it's like Mick McCarthy's first thought is,

[01:12:21] I have to pull the car spike advert.

[01:12:27] What are they running stands?

[01:12:29] It is funny watching PR people choose who's going to be a start a world cup before the

[01:12:33] World Cup.

[01:12:33] There was James Madison like boohoo, yeah,

[01:12:37] and all over the tube during the World Cup.

[01:12:39] Like before in the in the previous tournament, maybe you've been jammed it.

[01:12:43] And then he would he didn't go.

[01:12:46] That's so fun.

[01:12:47] What was that?

[01:12:48] Three, what was the name of the Japanese stadium where Ireland played their first game versus Cameroon?

[01:12:53] Oh, hey, never sound cream as answers.

[01:12:55] Hey, big swan B massive goose or sea comes and duck.

[01:12:58] A big one because that was one of the outer contacts was they invented as inter look at the big

[01:13:04] one.

[01:13:07] It is a really good.

[01:13:09] Is already by name question for what was the name of the South Korean Irish bar the players frequent in Seoul?

[01:13:14] Oh, Nivis Uncreme.

[01:13:16] Yep.

[01:13:17] Oh, Kim's that's correct.

[01:13:19] Very good.

[01:13:20] It's a great name.

[01:13:21] Great name.

[01:13:22] And five, there's a few points available here.

[01:13:25] Jack's winning two one but you can just pull it back Andy if you can get there's three answers.

[01:13:29] I've got here name anyone who sent me my car.

[01:13:32] The thank you card for the Irish run in the World Cup.

[01:13:35] Oh, maybe a suncream.

[01:13:37] Yeah.

[01:13:39] Tony Blair.

[01:13:40] Yes, correct.

[01:13:41] I don't know why he sent one.

[01:13:42] I know.

[01:13:43] I remember thinking that was weird.

[01:13:44] Yeah, yeah.

[01:13:45] Bono.

[01:13:46] Yes.

[01:13:47] Oh, that's very good.

[01:13:49] I think it was the present about the T-shirt.

[01:13:52] It was the president's T-shirt.

[01:13:54] President Mary McElise is that you know their friends?

[01:13:56] Yeah, that is correct.

[01:13:58] Very good.

[01:14:00] Very good.

[01:14:01] And you got all three of them.

[01:14:02] So you all paid attention to this very long book and a very impressive.

[01:14:07] But congratulations Jack.

[01:14:08] You won that and you won this week's Ken's on.

[01:14:10] All right.

[01:14:11] That's what you wanted.

[01:14:12] I must admit, I can't remember who sent this request in.

[01:14:15] Sorry.

[01:14:16] If it was you, you could be very happy in a second.

[01:14:19] Here it is to the tune of Shirley Bassie's big spender.

[01:14:24] The minute you step on the pitch.

[01:14:27] I could see you were a man of distinction.

[01:14:30] Bo, low, zendon.

[01:14:34] So refined.

[01:14:35] Turns you inside out and leaves your train in behind.

[01:14:39] He's going to slip straight up the wing.

[01:14:41] It's a long one.

[01:14:42] And across as you're breaking free.

[01:14:46] Bo, low, zendon.

[01:14:49] Skull.

[01:14:50] Skull.

[01:14:52] Another goal for me.

[01:14:53] Ken's on.

[01:14:54] Lovely.

[01:14:55] Beautiful.

[01:14:55] Lovely.

[01:14:56] Thanks Ken.

[01:14:57] Lovely from Ken's good.

[01:14:58] Ken's back on for after I think last time someone tried to show him up right?

[01:15:02] Someone else became Ken's on the week.

[01:15:04] It was a we had a one set someone sent their own one in.

[01:15:08] Yeah, and then I can call them a girl Wang.

[01:15:11] Yeah, see word and so you've never never wasn't able to get inside the

[01:15:14] heads of a popular artist.

[01:15:16] Exactly, exactly.

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[01:15:42] Andy, thank you so much for coming on.

[01:15:45] Oh, absolute pleasure.

[01:15:46] Thank you so much for having me.

[01:15:47] It was a joy and I suppose they say something funny then.

[01:15:50] Yeah, you said you can come on.

[01:15:52] You said things funny for the last hour.

[01:15:53] It's fine.

[01:15:54] Have a rest anything to plug anything to plug.

[01:15:58] What?

[01:15:59] Anything to plug?

[01:16:00] No.

[01:16:01] Trying series four out in March.

[01:16:04] I think March this in two months, but depending on the shows coming out

[01:16:08] and I do think it's better than series three because I was having a bit of a breakdown

[01:16:11] during series three.

[01:16:12] I would suggest if you even if you mildly dislike series three,

[01:16:16] I watch series four and if you like series three, you're going to fucking love series

[01:16:20] for what if you like the writer's not having enough of a breakdown?

[01:16:24] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:16:25] I think I've got the breakdown.

[01:16:28] I've got the sweet spot now.

[01:16:29] Oh, interestingly.

[01:16:30] It's certainly not happy, but it's just somewhere just mild crisis.

[01:16:35] It's about right.

[01:16:37] Good to hear.

[01:16:38] The Mick McCarthy.

[01:16:39] Yeah.

[01:16:40] Yeah.

[01:16:41] Yeah.

[01:16:43] You could write the film version of the working Mick Arthean's.

[01:16:48] I did wonder whether there was there was there was I mean,

[01:16:51] probably would have been done before now, but I did wonder whether there

[01:16:53] where was a drama in this.

[01:16:54] I mean, they really should have been surprising.

[01:16:56] I hadn't been tried for sure.

[01:16:57] They probably play one of those plays they have.

[01:17:00] I think we should keep discussing this in the bonus chapter.

[01:17:02] Well, we back with Roy Keane's explosive keen the autobiography in a fortnight

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